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Keep in mind that the 569,-€ is for the DIY edition and does not include RAM, SSD (2230 form factor) or expansion cards. So assuming you're starting with nothing the cheapest price would be about this:
So about 665,-€ at current pricing from Germany, not including individual shipping costs of the RAM and SSD. If you require/want Windows then that would need to be factored in as well.
Obviously quite a bit cheaper compared to the 13, but I doubt this will impact the education market that this is supposed to target (unless edu gets steep discounts).
The point of the DIY edition is that you could just reuse some old RAM or SSDs. Maybe another $50 for a good set. Then they sell refurbished expansion cards (that are currently out of stock) for $34.
In theory, yes. I don't think it is very likely that people have DDR5 SO-DIMM modules lying around, let alone 2230 SSDs. I don't understand why they weren't able to go for the way more common 2280 form factor for the SSD at least.
Some people have dead laptops with fried motherboards or dead batteries, or cracked screens, that are absolutely unrepairable but have memory and alive ssds. I know I do.
Sure, I'm not saying this never happens, but I'd argue this is the exception not the rule. Especially when it comes to DDR5 which is still quite new, so there should not be that many laptops with dead batteries with such memory around yet. It would be a different story with DDR4, not that I would suggest that they use DDR4. And the SSD form factor they used isn't very common, so it is probably even less likely that people have such SSDs lying around. I still appreciate that they allow me to buy the machine without memory/storage.
Exactly. I have DDR4 laying around, but DDR5 is new enough that I don't. The laptop that I have is 7-8 years old and is about ready to be replaced, but neither the drive nor RAM would work, so I'll have to buy that new.
I can forgive the ram decision, they're producing laptops that can be upgraded in the future to keep them from becoming waste, not upgraded using old equipment now.
I actually do have 2230 ssds laying around. I bought a few used computers on eBay to use as servers that had 128gb versions of these little shits in them that I had assumed were 2.5" not m.2. Wouldn't use them in a new laptop for me, but it's plenty enough for a school laptop or device that isn't storing data on that particular drive.
I'm not going to rag on them for going with this form factor, because they are very conscious about their designs, but it isn't like it's hard to accommodate a range of m.2 sizes. You just need a little hole you can screw the mounting...screw into. Like, maybe you can't fit a 2280 in there, but from what I've seen 2242 is more common than 2230.
Framework's whole model is to accommodate for exceptions.
You can buy them...?
You also need to include a 60w power adapter.
You can BYO…
Of course. But the comment above says if you start from nothing.
Yes, but most people are more likely to have a USB-C power adapter lying around than an SSD or RAM.
Many people have 60 and 100w usbc adapters already. I know I do.
This would make one hell of an impact at my school in Australia, our school sells shitty cheap laptops for $1200 AUD (around €723), but the licenses for software are provided by the government and the laptops tend to cost less than half the school sells them for, so the framework laptop 12 would definitely be preferable, including with the add-ons you mentioned.
A little sidenote, I have no clue how it's legal for the school to price gouge us like that for literally the cheapest ThinkPads or other laptops possible.
Is it a form of funding for the school? Or are they getting ripped off too?
At the campus I'm currently at, it's funded pretty well, we have good quality buildings, we have doctors that come in every couple days and have "chillout tuesday" where we have activities and free food in the seminar room. The other two campuses are definitely falling behind in those regards.
Either they may not be getting enough from the government and are supplementing it, or they are getting ripped off by Lenovo, although it seems to be due funding the school, since there are also the out for uniform days, where you have to pay $10 unless you don't want to participate for the rest of the year.
Uhm, what gpu?
Intel HD graphics on either a 1315u or 1334u processor
Do the two actually have different GPUs?
"UHD" vs "Iris Xe"?
The MSRP on Intels page for the two CPU options is way closer than the difference on Frameworks preorder page.
64 execution units on hd vs 80 on xe. Can't tell if they're different architectures tho
Yeah, the dif in architecture I mean, idk how much the diff that makes.
Prolly not huge in spec but for a framework laptop if it affects the rest of the system
More powerful i5 with 32GM RAM and a bunch of expansion cards amounted to about 1200€. A bit more than similarly specked 15-17 laptops, but preliminary I couldn't find anything with this speks in this formfactor, so I couldn't compare properly.