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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Anarchism has been very productive in improving the lives of those who practice it. Bringing about things like the 40-hour week. Anarchism doesn't have to become the sociopolitical system to be beneficial. Look into prefiguration and also look at the comm rules.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Bringing about things like the 40-hour week.

Can you show me anywhere in the world where anarchism is as strongly represented in labor movements as it was in Spain during the 1930s?

Looking at the past does not make the present any better.

Anarchism doesn’t have to become the sociopolitical system to be beneficial.

So what should it be then? A vanguard in everything but name?

Look into prefiguration

I'd love to... but where is it? Every time I ask anarchists this, they point me to social projects such as that happening in northern Syria and Chiappas in Mexico - social projects that reject the anarchist label. And I don't exactly blame them for rejecting it, either - trying to "preconfigure" something when your theory is too damn orthodox to even allow you to understand what "preconfiguring" should actually look like is a pretty obvious sociopolitical dead-end.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Can you show me anywhere in the world where anarchism is as strongly represented in labor movements as it was in Spain during the 1930s?

Can you show me anywhere in the world where Liberal Capitalist Democracy was strongly represented in 1400s? See how absurd this statement is?

So what should it be then? A vanguard in everything but name?

The opposite. Improving the lives of people practicing it in the here and now through anarchist praxis. People can practice direct action for mutual aid right now.

I'd love to... but where is it?

Prefiguration is a theory of praxis

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

See how absurd this statement is?

Liberalism is literally the ideology of the status quo now.

Is it absurd to point that out, too?

Prefiguration is a theory of praxis

Soooo... the failure of anarchism to actually preconfigure anything since the end of WW2 in the face of massive liberal counter-insurgency is perhaps tied to anarchist's theories about preconfiguration not being remotely good enough - if they even exist at all?

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 20 hours ago

Liberalism is literally the ideology of the status quo now.

Is it absurd to point that out, too?

What's absurd is to claim that a radical socioeconomic reconfiguration can't happen because it hasn't happened yet.

Soooo... the failure of anarchism to actually preconfigure anything since the end of WW2 in the face of massive liberal counter-insurgency is perhaps tied to anarchist's theories about preconfiguration not being remotely good enough - if they even exist at all?

Anarchist prefigure things all the time. Mutual Banks, Cooperatives, Anarcho-syndicalist unions, food banks, soup kitchens and so much more. Don't know what the fuck you're on about.