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Bikes don't work well in places like where I live when you can easily get 1-2 feet of snow in the winter. Or very icy roads. They definitely should be used more, but they aren't a panacea.
We've invented means to clear roads of snow, that's how we manage to make cars go on them during winter
Yes, they're called snowplows and they don't clear bike lanes.
Yes that sounds insurmountable
Come on man don't be so car-brained. There's obviously places outside of where you live where that problem showed up and solutions exist.
https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/clearing-the-streets-of-snow-and-ice/
That would absolutely not clear a 2 lane street with a bike lane on the side of 2 feet of snow and keep the bike lane clear. Be serious.
There's going to be a type of snow clearing device for every type of bike lane
Do you want me to keep googling them for you until you run out of ideas and then stop responding?
Come on
Sure, you google me a snow clearing device that will clear plowed snow after a 2-foot snowfall away from a bike lane that abuts a bunch of parked cars on a narrow street and also doesn't create a traffic hazard. Because that's what we deal with in my town.
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-bike-lane-snow-plow
Yeah, you do see that bike lane is separated from the rest of the road by a concrete line so that plow can plow that area separately from the rest of the road, right?
If it's not separated you just use the regular snow plower?
Do you think maybe, just maybe, it's possible that there isn't a single solution for every city and town in the world and there are unique problems they can face which make things other cities can do untenable? Is that even a remote possibility? Or does it not apply to plowing snow?
I can't think of a single place in the world that can't have bikes but can have cars
You cant think to think of any either, to be honest...
Good thing I didn't say it can't have bikes then. This is what I said:
Please don't put words in my mouth.
I'm pretty sure you can always solve that problem for bikes if you can solve it for cars
If you can't solve it for cars then these places are beyond relevance for urbanism
First of all, cars have a much greater grip on the road in icy conditions. So they can handle things like black ice when riding a bicycle on it would be extremely dangerous.
But sure, every small city and town with harsh winters are beyond relevance.
Small city and towns don't have cars now?
Guy who said "don't put words in my mouth" literally 10 minutes ago
Small cities and towns have a big problem solving things like black ice for cars. Hence the many accidents on days like that when people drive in those conditions. I know because I used to work for the local news station.
But hey, we're beyond relevance.
Beyond relevance period?
I thought I meant beyond relevance for urbanism, and by the way I mostly meant for this discussion about snow on bike lanes.
Guy who said "don't put words in my mouth" literally 10 minutes ago
Small towns going bankrupt is a result of newer means of transportation concentrating centers of activity within a region.
If you can't clean the ice for cars, cleaning it for bikes is cheaper. If you can't do any, then don't do any - you've got worse problems. Thus, irrelevant for this discussion.
I can't go by what you thought you meant. I went by what you said.
You literally didn't. You cut it off mid sentence.
It's insane how you've moved the goalpost from "It's impossible to clean snow off bike lanes" to "it's impossible to clean snow off some bike lanes when the conditions of the bike lanes are very specific" to "it's impossible to clean off bikelanes when the city is tiny and too broke to clean it off roads in the first place"
Guess what? Then don't clean them. Discussion has been moved to a segment of the problem that is so small and uninteresting that and if you had been clear about your message in the first place, nobody would've needed to answer you
Bye
That's another thing I never said. I never said impossible. And I have always been talking about where I live, not anywhere else. I made that very clear.
https://twitter.com/pekkatahkola/status/1627375239423197185
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU
Good thing they aren't sharing the road with cars like around here, isn't it?