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  1. We're trying to improving working conditions and pay.

  2. We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

  3. We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

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[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 11 months ago (22 children)

This is ridiculous to equate the two in all cases. Jobs aren’t inherently built around that like sex work is. Jobs, in a capitalist society are but not universally. Sex work is

[–] uralsolo@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Sex work is only inherently built around debasing and dehumanizing yourself if you consider sex itself to be debased and dehumanizing. It's a service profession like literally any other.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It is not about sex, it is about money. Because money is something people need to live it calls in question whether or not the sex is freely given or coerced. If a person has sex with someone not because they want to do so, but because they have to, I do not think there is much difference whether or not the threat comes from say violence or starvation. If people want to have consensual sex I think that is great in all forms that can take. If the consent is contingent on monetary compensation I think there is a high chance, though admittedly not entirely certain, that the sex is being coerced in some way, which I would say constitutes rape. Why do you think it is okay to have an uneven allocation of money in a society so that those on the top can do with those on the bottom as they want?

[–] uralsolo@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why do you think it is okay to have an uneven allocation of money in a society so that those on the top can do with those on the bottom as they want?

Of course I don't think that's okay, don't put words in my mouth.

My contention is that sex is morally equivalent to any other form of labor, and I believe that the pedestal we put sex on as a society is a manifestation of patriarchy. It's no coincidence that for most of human history, sex work has been one of the few labor markets where women have an advantage over men, and thus controlling sex work has been one of the major tools at the patriarchy's disposal for controlling women's bodies. The impulse to control sex work is the same as the impulse to force them to wear specific clothing, the only difference is that in Western societies one of those forms of control has had a massive philosophical edifice built around it and the other hasn't.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

It was not my intention to put words in your mouth, but to put to words what myself, and maybe others, think is wrong with sex work and why it is not "a profession like any other". It has never been about it being morally okay to offer sex. It is about it being morally not okay to ask for it in exchange for money. While we are at it I think the real consequences of allowing for sex work is not empowering women, but extending the grip of the patriarchy, whose tool is money, to realms were they should not be.

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