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On X11 and the Fascists Maggots (blogs.gnome.org)

submitted 1 week ago by Mihies@programming.dev to c/linux@programming.dev

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This is a truly WTF moment about messed up responses to X11 session removal in Gnome.

2 weeks ago I published a blogpost about the upcoming plans of GNOME 49 and the eventual removal of the X11 session. Since then, instead of looking at feedback, bugs and issues related to the topic, we all collectively had to deal with the following, and I am not exaggerating one bit:

Fascists and Nazis
Wild Conspiracy Theories that make Qanon jealous
“Concerned” Trolling about the Accessibility of the Wayland session
A culture war where Wayland is Gay, and X11 is the glorious past they stole from you

In my wildest dreams I could have never made this shit up. You all need mandatory supervised access to the Internet from now on.

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

Gnome in general is undeniably made competently by competent and talented people. If it wasn't, it would break a lot more.

Those competent and talented people also managed to make extremely bad choices at every turn, and seem ideologically opposed to the idea of customization, resulting in an environment that is fundamentally painful to use unless you very specifically fit the box of what they expect users to be like.

It sort of feels like an Apple product, in that sense. Very well-made, but god forbid you don't want to do things exactly as they say you should

[–] urandom@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Those competent and talented people also managed to make extremely bad choices at every turn, and seem ideologically opposed to the idea of customization, resulting in an environment that is fundamentally painful to use unless you very specifically fit the box of what they expect users to be like.

There's nothing wrong with not providing customization. There's a perfectly decent customizable DE in KDE, anyone that wants to tinker can use that.

I don't want to tinker. I want something to just work, and not have too many knobs. Gnome fills this need perfectly. Thus, you saying that they made bad choices at every turn seems rather idiotic.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

see this wouldn't be a problem if every distro didn't insist on having gnome as the default and main DE

[–] urandom@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

This is objectively false. Distros that care about choice and tinkering will allow you to select a DE during installation. See Arch Linux for example.

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