Cross-posted from "TRUE communism!" by @Muaddib@sopuli.xyz in !politicalmemes@lemmy.world
this post was submitted on 02 Jul 2025
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... You don't get it?
This is an Anarchist instance.
Anarchists are extremely critical of the concept of 'the State' itself, tend to want to either totally abolish it, or at least strip it down so much or break it apart that it essentially isn't a 'State' any more.
Tankies embrace, and essentially worship the State.
... Also, in basically every single recorded instance of a succesful or attempted leftist revolution in modern human history, tankies ally with anarchists to overthrow the existing State, and then murder all of them after they've established themselves as the new State or proto-State.
One could argue that it seems to be in the material interest of authoritarian statists to extend false allyship to 'fellow leftists', and then betray them as quickly as they abandon their ideal of a 'classless society' and begin to assert themselves as the new ruling class.
There's a 101 level answer for your 'why so antagonistic' question.
Tankies historically cry 'Unity! Unity!' and do exactly what you are doing, trying to shame those who are skeptical... and then the rhetoric flips on a dime and the cry switches to 'Purity! Faith!'
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Also worth noting is your framing of this as antagonistic in the first place.
I guess you find the evidence of history thus far to largely be antagonistic to your worldview?
I don't know, I wouldn't want to put words in your mouth, but that is my assumption.
I could be wrong though.
Ah yes, the evidence of history. Like all the successful anarchist revolutions?
Ukraine for example, before the "allied" communists betrayed and hunted down the anarchists
Look, I'm not trying to justify everything the Bolsheviks did during the Russian Civil War. I don't know enough of the history to make a judgment call on most of that stuff. So I'm going to leave the question of morality entirely aside on this one.
But I don't think you can call your revolution successful if, within a few years, some external force is able to show up, wreck everything you were doing, and take over. It's not enough to just temporarily wrest control away and set up your committees and your resource distribution system and declare victory. You have to establish long-term security and stability. If you don't, you haven't had a successful revolution.
Valid point. I'd say that it's inevitable for a large force with popular legitimacy and support to best a force with a similar percentage of but less-due-to-geographical-resources popular legitimacy and support, but I see arguing that would be moving the goalposts. So to engage that directly I would say that the AANES (Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, commonly known as Rojava) is as anarchist as the USSR was communist. It's been there for well over a decade now.
I could quibble over the circumstances (and, unfortunately, likely outcomes in the near future), or argue about your dig at the USSR, but honestly I'm more inclined to cede the point on this. I don't really have anything against anarchists or anarchism; I was mostly just giving a flippant answer to that other commenter, who was being a smug jerk.