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I'll be honest tho, idk how him and Brunson works as a backcourt.
The Heat are a much better fit for him. Jimmy and Bam cover for him defensively, and Jimmy can be the primary ball handler. It allows Donovan to guard the 1 while still playing the 2 on offense. People have long wanted to pair him with a tall point guard, and Jimmy is a point forward so that’s even better for him.
Nobody wants to hear this but Donovan will always be a flawed player as an undersized 2.
Depends. I feel like him and Murray are very similar players. If you switch him with Murray, Jokic hides his flaws, while you would say the same things about Murray in Cleveland.
Murray is a better defender than Donovan Mitchell. He's more physical, tougher, and can hang on bigger guys on switches periodically. He also doesnt get caught out of position or on closeouts nearly as often as Mitchell does (just go watch the Dallas series again, or even the Knicks series last year - Donovan Mitchell is not a good defensive player. Jamal Murray is).
Jamal is also a better passer than Donovan Mitchell. He just averaged 10+ assists in the Finals against the consensus best coach in the NBA. Donovan has improved as a passer, but I would be FLOORED if he ever averaged 10 assists in a playoff series.
Murray’s a point guard tho
Also it's like we forget Murray has a great moveset to use in the playoffs.
Donovan not so much
id 100% take donovan mitchel over murray for sure, still salty we fuckin traded him for mudiay
Mitchell also way better than Jamal lol
"way better" is either a troll statement or genuine delusion.
Mitchell is a 4x all-star and all-nba level player. You’re overrating Jamal because he elevates his game in the playoffs and has the privilege of playing with a b2b mvp. He gets washed in the regular season. Here are the playoff stats.
Player 1: 28/5/5 on 55 TS%
Player 2: 25/5/6 on 59 TS%
Basically the same except one is significantly worse in the regular season.
"Just stick him next to Jokic" is becoming the new "Well, he can win a title with LeBron".
Not that Jokic has had nearly as good a career as LeBron, but he currently seems to be at least equally valid as the answer to the question, "Who can run the league best offense with this flawed all-star?"
Just as a response to Jokic's career so far, Jokic is less than a year older than LeBron was when they both won their first championship. Two MVP's , really should be three, a historic postseason dominance, near averaging triple doubles for a season before that.
Not saying he has as close a chance at the same longevity, or even that Nuggets repeating is as sure a bet as the Heatles, but if there's anyone in the league who can match that I'd bet on Jokic first, then Giannis, Luka if he can escape the Mavericks, or the potential dynasty leader in Sacramento in a few years.
Murray is a vastly better defender, no?
not sure how anyone could deny it.
Put him next to Dyson Daniels
I'm just happy I don't need to pretend anymore lol
offseason? You mean postseason, right?
No off-season. This thread is discussing pro am golf tourneys ediot
This is insane. I get what you’re suggesting but he was basically a first team all nba guy last year. It’s fine if he’s an undersized 2. He carried us to victory so many times last year.
Dame and CJ just need defenders around them...
Well ya, being a 6'1 shooting guard is not ideal.
I'd rather be a 6'1" shooting guard with a 6'9" wingspan like Mitchell instead of a 6'4" shooting guard with a 6'3" wingspan like Desmond Bane.
I keep saying to people that extending a forehead higher does little to benefit anyone
Bane is 6'5 with a 6'4 wingspan
wow that changes everything. in shoes or barefoot?
Eh he has the wingspan and athleticism to guard most 2 guards. Not saying he can be an all nba defender or anything but effort goes a long way. Guys like PJ Tucker are undersized and was a more than competent defender. Hell OKC ranked 13th in defensive rating last year despite not having a center all year
I don't think it would. It would be a worse version of Dame and CJ
Wonder how Mitchell would fit next to Bridges instead
Surely the only way we pick someone like him up is through FA no?
The amount of important players we would have to give up to make the Cavs interested would make Don not interested.
It's not like we have our own picks to throw at the problem to make up for a lopsided trade.
Now that is exciting.. he has enough defenders on the perimeter to help him out in BK.
He could bring Ben back to life
I am also wondering this. We have room for an upgrade at guard but it rides on how ready Cam Thomas is to carry a major offensive role.
If Donovan was even 25% interested in Brooklyn then we gotta go all in, giving away Cam is the barest minimum
To put it in perspective as a cleveland fan, I don’t care about Cam Thomas at all. You put him in a trade and I skip right past that name in a Donovan Mitchell trade. He’s the filler (no offense, just trying to put this in a genuine perspective)
No offense taken it’s makes sense to me, nothing we have is equal to Donovan (that we’d be willing to trade) so I think it’s best to just throw y’all any and everything if it means we can add Spida to our core
His offense alone alleviates our biggest problem
He is not lmao
Bro it's Donovan Mitchell.
Agree. Mitchell is for sure better than Brunson, but not by miles, and they kind of occupy the same space.
For the Knicks maybe you just grab the asset and figure it out later, but agree the fit is suspect.
Hopefully we'll never have to find out
As long as he has a better playoffs it’ll be fine. Mitchell was right on the cusp of being a first team all nba guard last year. He’s a guy you can count on to make it happen.