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[–] lets_talk_basketball@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I'll be honest tho, idk how him and Brunson works as a backcourt.

[–] Prestigious_Cattle72@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wonder how Mitchell would fit next to Bridges instead

[–] BruceBrownMVP@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Surely the only way we pick someone like him up is through FA no?

The amount of important players we would have to give up to make the Cavs interested would make Don not interested.

It's not like we have our own picks to throw at the problem to make up for a lopsided trade.

[–] SneakyGreninja@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

i think instead he should go to minnesota. think about it he has an elite rim defender in rudy gobert, great for the pnr and all

[–] Artsky32@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I’ve always wanted to see Mitchell and ben Simmons on the same team, they seem like the perfect compliments to each other .

[–] lets_talk_basketball@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Now that is exciting.. he has enough defenders on the perimeter to help him out in BK.

[–] groceriesN1trip@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Fringe playoff team, 1st rd exit

[–] thereticent@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He could bring Ben back to life

[–] n_jacat@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I am also wondering this. We have room for an upgrade at guard but it rides on how ready Cam Thomas is to carry a major offensive role.

[–] shoutsoutstomywrist@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Donovan was even 25% interested in Brooklyn then we gotta go all in, giving away Cam is the barest minimum

[–] boogswald@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To put it in perspective as a cleveland fan, I don’t care about Cam Thomas at all. You put him in a trade and I skip right past that name in a Donovan Mitchell trade. He’s the filler (no offense, just trying to put this in a genuine perspective)

[–] shoutsoutstomywrist@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

No offense taken it’s makes sense to me, nothing we have is equal to Donovan (that we’d be willing to trade) so I think it’s best to just throw y’all any and everything if it means we can add Spida to our core

His offense alone alleviates our biggest problem

[–] ClutchGamingGuy@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He is not lmao

[–] PrimeShaq@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Bro it's Donovan Mitchell.

[–] drjisftw@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Nobody wants to hear this but Donovan will always be a flawed player as an undersized 2.

[–] Vordeo@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm just happy I don't need to pretend anymore lol

[–] user15151616@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

offseason? You mean postseason, right?

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[–] boogswald@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is insane. I get what you’re suggesting but he was basically a first team all nba guy last year. It’s fine if he’s an undersized 2. He carried us to victory so many times last year.

[–] hurrakane212@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Dame and CJ just need defenders around them...

[–] brg36@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

If you’re saying that his size is what ultimately keeps him somewhere in the 11-20 range rather than being a top-10 guy in the league… are there people who legitimately argue that? You’re absolutely right imo

[–] Rakkuuuu@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This subreddit is obsessed with shitting on 2s if they're not 6'6 or something.

[–] papa_sax@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Maybe because that's not what wins playoff games??

[–] jamills21@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Maybe because that’s around the average size of a shooting guard?

If Mitchell was a genuine 6'3" and lived up to the defensive potential he had when drafted, then it wouldn't be a problem. But he's actually 6'1" and an average-to-poor defender, despite a major plus wingspan and dunk contest athleticism.

[–] FreddyAllstar@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Depends. I feel like him and Murray are very similar players. If you switch him with Murray, Jokic hides his flaws, while you would say the same things about Murray in Cleveland.

[–] drjisftw@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] RatLord445@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

sort of, his playmaking is mid but this season looks promising as hell

[–] papa_sax@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Also it's like we forget Murray has a great moveset to use in the playoffs.

Donovan not so much

[–] DreadWolf3@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

How does Jokic hide thenfact thay Spida is undersized - which is mainly defect on defensive end? Giannis or Smart or someone like that hides those defects, not offensive juggernaut like Jokic. Jokic would do best with opposite of Spida.

[–] 1850ChoochGator@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mitchell also way better than Jamal lol

[–] chasehimdown@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"way better" is either a troll statement or genuine delusion.

[–] 1850ChoochGator@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Mitchell is a 4x all-star and all-nba level player. You’re overrating Jamal because he elevates his game in the playoffs and has the privilege of playing with a b2b mvp. He gets washed in the regular season. Here are the playoff stats.

Player 1: 28/5/5 on 55 TS%

Player 2: 25/5/6 on 59 TS%

Basically the same except one is significantly worse in the regular season.

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[–] tidho@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

not sure how anyone could deny it.

[–] blahhlabblah@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Put him next to Dyson Daniels

[–] warablo@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well ya, being a 6'1 shooting guard is not ideal.

[–] nikop@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'd rather be a 6'1" shooting guard with a 6'9" wingspan like Mitchell instead of a 6'4" shooting guard with a 6'3" wingspan like Desmond Bane.

[–] ClutchGamingGuy@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Except Mitchell doesn't use his wingspan for defense, at all

[–] imblo@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also while wingspan in theory helps more with defense, I'd argue height is more important on offense as it allows you to see over opponents to make the right reads.

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[–] Silent-Frame1452@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

For sure, it that’s an effort/technique issue, not a size one. Mitchell isn’t actually that small for a 2 defensively, he’s long and strong for his height. He’s just a bad defensive player.

[–] iwanttohelp12@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Thats very true of his Jazz seasons but to be fair to him he was a lot better in Cleveland. He still wasn't good and the effort wasn't always there but he was a lot more engaged and mostly executed the scheme and tried some to get over screens.

He is a funny player. His entire draft profile + early summer league profile was great defender right away but might not be able to score. Yet in the league hes been the exact opposite.

[–] nikop@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's not really a small player is the point. He's built like a tank and has elite functional length, yet there are always complaints about his size apparently handicapping your backcourt whereas no one ever talks about Ja and Bane being a small backcourt.

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[–] larrylegend33goat@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I keep saying to people that extending a forehead higher does little to benefit anyone

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[–] Smooth-Jaguar@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Eh he has the wingspan and athleticism to guard most 2 guards. Not saying he can be an all nba defender or anything but effort goes a long way. Guys like PJ Tucker are undersized and was a more than competent defender. Hell OKC ranked 13th in defensive rating last year despite not having a center all year

[–] Dav136@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think it would. It would be a worse version of Dame and CJ

[–] Joetheshow1@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Donovan came to NY I'd honestly want RJ to move to the 6th man and have Hart start at the 3 since he's a better defender and could help out Brunson and Donovan better, Grimes is too small to start at the 3 full time imo

[–] shockwave8428@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Starting 3 people under 6’4 always works, we never had issues with it or anything

[–] NefariousNeezy@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Simple - 2 balls at the same time

[–] pickledelbow@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Rumor is the sixers are trying to get him as well and I feel the same way about a Mitchell/Maxey backcourt. Defense would be so bad

[–] ClutchGamingGuy@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Hopefully we'll never have to find out

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