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What are your opinions on anti-natalism? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 month ago by nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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Anti-natalism is the philosophical value judgment that procreation is unethical or unjustifiable. Antinatalists thus argue that humans should abstain from making children. Some antinatalists consider coming into existence to always be a serious harm. Their views are not necessarily limited only to humans but may encompass all sentient creatures, arguing that coming into existence is a serious harm for sentient beings in general. There are various reasons why antinatalists believe human reproduction is problematic. The most common arguments for antinatalism include that life entails inevitable suffering, death is inevitable, and humans are born without their consent. Additionally, although some people may turn out to be happy, this is not guaranteed, so to procreate is to gamble with another person's suffering. WIKIPEDIA

If you think, maybe for a few years, like 10-20 years, no one should make babies, and when things get better, we can continue, then you are not an anti-natalist. Anti-natalists believe that suffering will always be there and no one should be born EVER.

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[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (9 children)

To think that our times are special enough to warrant a movement like antinatalism

Antinatalism is a question first asked by ancient Greek philosophers. The modern antinatalism movement is… not so philosophical.

I’m now the mod of antinatalism on lemmy.world because the previous mod bombed a fertility clinic and I don’t want crazies like him running the sub or posting extremist content.

I believe that discussing antinatalism as an answer rather than a thought exercise is a mistake.

I reject antinatalism because I believe that suffering is not always a negative.

Could an artist not suffer for their work that brings great joy to themselves and others? Is that suffering not then worthy and good?

If something is worthy and good then denying others the opportunity to exist and be worthy and good is itself immoral.

[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Do I get this right? You're the mod of the antinatalism community on lemmy.world, but you reject antinatalism?

That sounds like a difficult duality to balance, as a mod.

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Disagreeing with a philosophical stance doesn’t mean that I need to be biased in moderation.

I find antinatalism to be an interesting philosophical exercise and welcome discussion about that and people’s personal choices based on the philosophy.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

...as long as they aren't bombing stuff.

Which brings up interesting questions about liberty and if you have a right to help people who can't ask for help or don't want it.

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