If money was no object I would go all in on open source hardware. Open source everything for me. Sadly I cannot. And so I am still stuck with decades old closed source hardware. But at least I'm running Linux on it.
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Did FW ever solve the issue with battery drain during sleep? I owned one of the original batch and sold it because I couldn't effectively use it as a laptop. Other than that it was awesome, great build quality, loved the ethics of it and the form factor, but being unable to use it as a portable computer was a deal breaker.
One solution I've seen has been to enable "hybrid sleep", where you can have it sleep for some period of time (30m) and afterward go to hibernate.
I still need to check in on it, but one of the biggest issues with sleep on Framework laptop is that the usb-c adapters (like HDMI) passively draw power. If you use 4 usb-c (or just leave it empty), you have better sleep experience.
Given that Intel no longer supports S3, hybrid sleep or suspend-then-hibernate is the solution indeed. It works pretty well on my end. I'm using the latter with a 3-hour suspend window. Very rarely I end up cold-booting. Hybrid-sleep is foolproof for those that absolutely can't tolerate lost state.
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I feel like it has gotten better for sure. I use Linux Mint on mine, and while I don't think it's quite been "fixed" yet, it's improved enough to be noticeable.
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what do y'all think about the star labs laptops?
I'd never heard of them before so I took a look. There's a lot there I like the sound of - removable webcam, physical kill switch for the wireless, CoreBoot and it seems to run 4K @165hz so it's presumably a bit of a beast. The price is a little eye-watering though lol.
Starlabs, slimbook, Tuxedo..
My Framework Laptop experience was really poor. Battery life was impossibly bad, Linux support was not as stellar as promised, the thing had the loudest fan I've ever heard, & my entire mainboard died & it took support 2 weeks to diagnose the issue. I'd go System76. I went with a Mac for Apple Silicon, & I'm going to try Asahi Linux soon
@MashingBundle #TUXEDOComputers is what I advise for linux focused laptops.
Can't agree. 4 out of 6 tuxedos (different timings, different models) had to be repaired - some even multiple times. And still they remain buggy for me especially with usb-c docking stations. And no LVFS.
@binarious WOW, 4/6 sounds like some higher than average odds, that really sucks. I hope you at least gotten it all resolved, money back, or found what works for you. I had a battery swell up on me a couple years in but that's quite common and expected in my work environment. Extremely easy fix as well as they used a common, easy to source battery.
I've not tried a huge sampling of different ones (3~4), but I've yet to run across a USB-C dock that didn't work for me under gentoo.
The LVFS thing doesn't really bother me as much as the still delayed coreboot/libreboot they're working on. Most people couldn't care less about either of those things, and they're not a show-stopper for me, so it still remains at the top of my very light recommendations list.
Thank you. RMA procedure is still in progress, but their support is nice and I'm hopeful to get it sorted.
Interesting. I've tried around 5 docks from which only 1 worked correctly. Mostly issues with 4K at 60hz. Other notebooks worked well with the ones the tuxedos struggled.
I agree, the manual EC/BIOS updates aren't very nice, but not a show-stopper. Coreboot has been promised for quite some time now and they're still searching a coreboot dev. Maybe this will be a thing someday, but I don't think we'll see that soon reading their responses regarding this on reddit.