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The polls are not good for the Liberals β€” in fact, they're struggling to overcome the 15 to 20-point gap that separates them from the Conservatives. But those close to the prime minister like to point out that their leader is used to being underestimated and performs well under pressure.

But in the halls of Parliament, many Liberals are worried.

"Several MPs from the Greater Toronto Area are afraid of losing their seats," one Ontario elected official said. The official requested confidentiality to speak more freely.

"We would be better off changing leaders for the good of our country," one Liberal MP said, adding that he has a lot of respect for Trudeau and what he has accomplished.

He fears, however, that Trudeau's unpopularity will act as a drag on his party. The MP added that public weariness with Trudeau's leadership has reached a point of no return.

"If he doesn't leave on his own, I will be disappointed."

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[–] Beaver@lemmy.ca 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They should consider passing proportional representation to all of Canada without a referendum in order to give more voice to liberals where the candidate is in 3rd or 4th places.

People supported Justin Trudeau on the fact he promised to reform the current voting system.

To support Proportional Representation demand your mps pass it and support the mission of Fair Vote Canada:

https://www.fairvote.ca/

[–] jadero@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This is the closest thing to a solution they will find. It's too late to switch leaders. That might have worked a few months after the last election, especially if it had been coupled with a bit quicker action on the expansion of Medicare.

Now it's their turn to take one for the team. We've been voting liberal instead of our true preference in order to keep the Conservatives from destroying our country. Now they have to go hat in hand to the NDP and hammer out a different voting system and put it in place before the next election. If they don't, the Conservatives will take power and it will be their fault.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

They're way more ok with the CPC taking power today and getting it back tomorrow than they are with potentially having to broker compromise dels to maintain government in hung parliaments forever going forward.

The potential for regaining total control down the road is way more important than things like the poor suffering, and minority populations losing rights and standing.

[–] northmaple1984@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago

This is a stupid take, why on earth would they give up majority rule, which they regularly get, in favour of a forever minority in which the partners in the coalition would have far more power than they ever do under FPTP?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Poilievre's Conservatives are an awful option and will only further harm the country. But they are winning the propaganda war at the moment, with many people somehow convinced they have something to offer. It's the usual right-wing fearmongering and scapegoating as a distraction from real issues they have no plan or intention to address. But once the right wing media machine starts to do its work it's hard to see others catching back up again.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I have a friend who is unemployed, collects disability pay, lives with his mom and they both need extensive access to healthcare, medication and mental health services. This guy thinks the conservatives are going to help him and refuses to acknowledge the history of conservatives stripping away social services.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

I don't understand how people get these ideas, except that they live on a diet of propaganda. Conservatives never help anyone except themselves.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I still remember public servants and teachers voting for Harris instead of Rae in 1995 and being absolutely incredulous about it.

Like, dude, his entire campaign platform is about firing you and people like you and salting the earth behind him so that your job doesn't just not exist, it can't exist because government will be so broken it won't be able to build a yurt. And you're voting for him because you're mad that the guy who made you take one unpaid vacation day every once in a while so that those jobs--yours included--would be saved.

Nope, "Common Sense" and suchlike...

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Maybe, and just hear me out, maybe they should have spent money on things that help regular Canadians, instead of things that further enrich the rich.

Of course, that implies that the point wasn't to further enrich the rich, and that the Liberals wouldn't prefer to switch seats with the Conservatives every few years, as long as the money train keeps running.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

If that was the problem then they wouldn’t be losing to the Cons