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It shouldn’t be this hard to play old Armored Core games (www.polygon.com)

submitted 1 year ago by Domiku@beehaw.org to c/gaming@beehaw.org

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My friend and I were discussing this over the weekend. Games are inherently different than movies, books, and music. They’re tied to specific hardware and operating systems that may not be available anymore.

I argue that if a game is no longer legally purchasable from the publishers or developer, it should be legally permitted to pirate it. Even EA agrees! They do not pursue copyright claims against LOTR games, as they lost the publishing license from New Line Cinemas years ago.

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[–] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It should be the same for everything: if an ip is no longer used, it should be in the public domain. Therefore, a company holding said IP is forced to use it (as in selling copies) or give it up.

[–] Domiku@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. I can imagine a middle-ground of copyright. If the IP is still being used, it enters the public domain on the regular schedule. But if it's abandoned, it enters earlier… perhaps after 5-10 years of non-use.

[–] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly, in our fast moving world, I‘d do like a year. If nothing gets announced or release, you‘re done.

Example, you take a book, game or song from the market because you want people to be unable to buy it before you release the successor. Then you delay the successor for 5 yrs. Boom, public domain.

[+] amazing2@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

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[–] Sentinian@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Unless you are trying to the the ps3 game the ps2 and psp should be able to be emulated on literally any pc.

Hell psp runs fine on most android phones as well.

You literally have to be trying to not find a way to play these games if you say they aren't easy to play. Fuck legality if the copyright hold is sitting on these games for no fucking reason

[–] Domiku@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I totally agree, but emulation still requires tons of unpaid work by enthusiasts. If/when Sony stops selling the PS3, they should turn over the source code and allow the community to make something really great. It's not like they make any money of used console and game sales.

[–] SuperSteef@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Even the PS3 game can be played via an emulator. The tech is still evolving so you still need a fairly powerful computer but it is playable. For reference, I was able to test archiving various PS3 games on my now 11 year old gaming PC which was a medium-tier system at the time of the build.

[–] raptir@lemdro.id 2 points 1 year ago

I love how the author of the article says that From Software should put out ports of the old games (and maybe remaster them while they're at it) but you know when they review the package they'll give a low score, say the game "really show its age" and "is only recommended for hardcore fans."

That's not quite fair - Polygon had good things to say about the Cowabunga Collection for example.

[–] Sentinian@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago

Its very easy to play the older AC games. Download a rom/iso and emulator

This is exactly why emulation is a needed thing.

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

If you're trying to do it legally, you can easily to rip your own ps1 games with a drive bay. Haven't tried it on PS2 or ps3 games. And ps1 emulation runs amazing on phones and raspberry pis.

So my ps1 emulation collection is pretty legit.

We shall not speak of the other consoles.

[–] sculd@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

haha...I play AC3 Last Raven on my PSP Its going to break my hand

[–] Phanatik@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been ripping PS3 games for a little while now. I've recently bought some Dynasty Warriors Gundam games from Japan which I'm dumping at the moment.

Armoured Core has especially been in a thorn in my side. I've got 4 and 5 but still trying to acquire For Answer and Verdict Day. They're extremely hard to come across. I haven't looked at the PS2 games but I'm sure I could find those for cheap. Super easy to rip with a standard Disk Drive.

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm curious, can a standard Blu-ray drive on a PC rip PS3 games? Or do you need special hardware? I was pleasantly surprised how easy it was to rip PS1 games.

[–] Phanatik@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I've read that you can use a Blue-Ray drive. The RPCS3 website has a proper guide on it though I haven't tried it. I jailbroke my PS3 (not fully because it's one of the 320GB models) and use that with FileZilla to dump games over the internet onto my PC.