Now that we see things like this can happen, maybe we can make it easier to resolve going forward.
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Prolly a noob question but why was the .ml TLD chosen in the first place?
But they only took the domain name, not the server? So it should be no issue to just get another domain, change a bit of config on the system and web server, and be up and running in no time?
Sure, but depending on which timezone they are in, it could be nighttime for them
Because this caught everyone by surprise or was there some indication that things would just continue business as usual? The registrar has known the contract ended since it was signed 10 years ago, I would figure this would have been accounted for.
IDK, but registrars are generally shitty and exploitative. I'd be surprised if they volunteered that info
I migrated, but I would happily rejoin under a different tld.
Does this have anything to do with the whole email thing from the American military? According to the financial times, there are about 117.000 emails send to .ML addresses instead of .MIL..
Is there some news coverage on the mali governments actions? I couldn't find anything on my quick google search
So why is lemmy.ml still working?
At least I see posts from their instance, like this one https://midwest.social/post/1290001
They may not have taken the lemmy.ml domain back yet, but because the different instances are federated, you'll still be able to see contents from an instance that's gone.
lemmy.fmhy.ml is pirate friendly, lemmy.ml is not. Maybe the Mali government suddenly decided they don't like piracy because... reasons? Maybe the Somalian pirates pissed them off???
It was good while it lasted and they managed to keep it going longer than my first instance (two days)
Not all instances are created equal however one I tried to sign upto their email verification didn't work and others just didn't bother to activate my account for whatever the reason.
Happy to see your on shitjustworks now, it's a solid one
Hello! I'm new to Lemmy, could someone break this down like I'm 5 and explain what it means for the people who were already on there?
It means anybody who will want to go to site lemmy.fmhy.ml will not load site and would think its down, maybe some will find out on google about it, some are already on multiple instances...
Also all links to lemmy.fmhy.ml are dead/gone now.
Btw the domain *.ml was free as i read, at least they could get some 1-5 USD domain name extension.
Only instances with a ".ml" at the end of the name may or may not be affected. Lemmy is a collection of instances so the loss of a few will not cripple the whole thing. Content over the whole is not greatly affected.
If your home log-in instance is one that's affected, you'll have to find a new one. You'll know right away because the instance will be unreachable. Not a big deal, last time I looked there was over 1200 instances to chose from.
Another consideration is any communities living on an affected instance may have issues. All communities are common to Lemmy, but each originates from a particular instance. We've not yet seen a major instance go down so I don't know how Lemmy deals with communities getting orphaned like that.
Thanks for that, was concerned about keeping my subscription to that community. Keep us posted and let us know where you end up so I can change over my community subscription.
Anyway I think the lesson learned here is don't use free TLDs. Lemmy is not at all designed to deal with domain name changes.
If this was a planned takeover by the government, why was there no notification sent in time? Why is lemmy.ml not shut down in parallel?
There was a report in the beginning of June that things started looking weird. The registration of new .ml domains shut down in the beginning of the year.
In short, the Mali government just gave some random 3rd party a ten-year contract to hand out the domains for free, which the third party did without too much care or attention. It would have been up to the third party to notify domain owners, but as they're not paying and probably don't even have contracts themselves, there was little incentive to do so.
As far as I can understand, it relates to the US military scandal only indirectly: As the .ml domains are now returning to the government of Mali, it becomes a lot more problematic that the US keep directing their emails there, and the person in charge of managing the domain went public about the security threat.
This is why we host our instance on a .org. Honestly another huge blow for Lemmy. It doesn't really inspire confidence in the platform. Hopefully after enough time passes smaller instances like us and the bigger ones left will have help up a good track record to inspire confidence again.
This isn't really that huge of a blow, it's a learning curve sure but just because some people made dumb decisions on what TLD to use based on something they decided it means (and backtracked to say they chose it because it was free, I know) doesn't mean federated platforms don't work. Actually imo it points to the strength of federation that we can still be here using lemmy on our instances while they switch.
All this really did was teach instance owners (who this might be their first experience hosting things too btw) that you have to use a TLD that is more stable like a .org, .com, .net, etc over a "free" one, and this is afaik the first instance of something like this happening, so honestly they didn't have precedent to base this on before.
By no means did i mean that federated platform's wont work, far from it. Im more considering the reputational damage of the platform. For me all the .ml instances unresolvable. And it doesn't look good when the "official" instance is lost. If i were an outsider considering moving to lemmy and i saw vlemmy disappear, lemmy world get hacked, and .ml loosing their domains id be pretty hesitant on making the switch. Thats where i sit for the moment. Lets all hope we can get a good track record going now.
Good timing for Reddit …. Wait….