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An update:

  • fmhy.ml is gone, due to the ongoing fiasco with mali government taking all their .ml domains back
  • As such, lemmy.fmhy.ml is also gone, we are currently exploring ways to refederate (or somehow restart federation entirely) without breaking anything substantial
  • We have backups, so don't worry about data loss (you can view them on other instances anyway)

Currently, we have fmhy.net and are exploring options to somehow migrate, thank you for your patience.

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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Now that we see things like this can happen, maybe we can make it easier to resolve going forward.

[–] th4@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Prolly a noob question but why was the .ml TLD chosen in the first place?

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But they only took the domain name, not the server? So it should be no issue to just get another domain, change a bit of config on the system and web server, and be up and running in no time?

[–] Blaze@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Sure, but depending on which timezone they are in, it could be nighttime for them

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because this caught everyone by surprise or was there some indication that things would just continue business as usual? The registrar has known the contract ended since it was signed 10 years ago, I would figure this would have been accounted for.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago

IDK, but registrars are generally shitty and exploitative. I'd be surprised if they volunteered that info

[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 5 points 1 year ago

I migrated, but I would happily rejoin under a different tld.

[–] peereboominc@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Does this have anything to do with the whole email thing from the American military? According to the financial times, there are about 117.000 emails send to .ML addresses instead of .MIL..

Translated page: https://tweakers-net.translate.goog/nieuws/211828/nederlander-die-ml-voor-mali-beheert-kreeg-duizenden-e-mails-amerikaanse-leger.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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[–] FlapKap@feddit.dk 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is there some news coverage on the mali governments actions? I couldn't find anything on my quick google search

[–] RootBeerGuy@ttrpg.network 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So why is lemmy.ml still working?

At least I see posts from their instance, like this one https://midwest.social/post/1290001

[–] notabot@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

They may not have taken the lemmy.ml domain back yet, but because the different instances are federated, you'll still be able to see contents from an instance that's gone.

[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lemmy.fmhy.ml is pirate friendly, lemmy.ml is not. Maybe the Mali government suddenly decided they don't like piracy because... reasons? Maybe the Somalian pirates pissed them off???

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[–] falseteefs@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was good while it lasted and they managed to keep it going longer than my first instance (two days)

Not all instances are created equal however one I tried to sign upto their email verification didn't work and others just didn't bother to activate my account for whatever the reason.

[–] Blaze@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Happy to see your on shitjustworks now, it's a solid one

[–] saffron@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hello! I'm new to Lemmy, could someone break this down like I'm 5 and explain what it means for the people who were already on there?

[–] null@zerobytes.monster 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It means anybody who will want to go to site lemmy.fmhy.ml will not load site and would think its down, maybe some will find out on google about it, some are already on multiple instances...

Also all links to lemmy.fmhy.ml are dead/gone now.

Btw the domain *.ml was free as i read, at least they could get some 1-5 USD domain name extension.

[–] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Only instances with a ".ml" at the end of the name may or may not be affected. Lemmy is a collection of instances so the loss of a few will not cripple the whole thing. Content over the whole is not greatly affected.

If your home log-in instance is one that's affected, you'll have to find a new one. You'll know right away because the instance will be unreachable. Not a big deal, last time I looked there was over 1200 instances to chose from.

Another consideration is any communities living on an affected instance may have issues. All communities are common to Lemmy, but each originates from a particular instance. We've not yet seen a major instance go down so I don't know how Lemmy deals with communities getting orphaned like that.

[–] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Thanks for that, was concerned about keeping my subscription to that community. Keep us posted and let us know where you end up so I can change over my community subscription.

Anyway I think the lesson learned here is don't use free TLDs. Lemmy is not at all designed to deal with domain name changes.

[–] Aurix@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If this was a planned takeover by the government, why was there no notification sent in time? Why is lemmy.ml not shut down in parallel?

[–] sab@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

There was a report in the beginning of June that things started looking weird. The registration of new .ml domains shut down in the beginning of the year.

In short, the Mali government just gave some random 3rd party a ten-year contract to hand out the domains for free, which the third party did without too much care or attention. It would have been up to the third party to notify domain owners, but as they're not paying and probably don't even have contracts themselves, there was little incentive to do so.

As far as I can understand, it relates to the US military scandal only indirectly: As the .ml domains are now returning to the government of Mali, it becomes a lot more problematic that the US keep directing their emails there, and the person in charge of managing the domain went public about the security threat.

[–] syntax@unilem.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why we host our instance on a .org. Honestly another huge blow for Lemmy. It doesn't really inspire confidence in the platform. Hopefully after enough time passes smaller instances like us and the bigger ones left will have help up a good track record to inspire confidence again.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This isn't really that huge of a blow, it's a learning curve sure but just because some people made dumb decisions on what TLD to use based on something they decided it means (and backtracked to say they chose it because it was free, I know) doesn't mean federated platforms don't work. Actually imo it points to the strength of federation that we can still be here using lemmy on our instances while they switch.

All this really did was teach instance owners (who this might be their first experience hosting things too btw) that you have to use a TLD that is more stable like a .org, .com, .net, etc over a "free" one, and this is afaik the first instance of something like this happening, so honestly they didn't have precedent to base this on before.

[–] syntax@unilem.org 2 points 1 year ago

By no means did i mean that federated platform's wont work, far from it. Im more considering the reputational damage of the platform. For me all the .ml instances unresolvable. And it doesn't look good when the "official" instance is lost. If i were an outsider considering moving to lemmy and i saw vlemmy disappear, lemmy world get hacked, and .ml loosing their domains id be pretty hesitant on making the switch. Thats where i sit for the moment. Lets all hope we can get a good track record going now.

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[–] nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Good timing for Reddit …. Wait….

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