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I've been looking around for a scripting language that:

  • has a cli interpreter
  • is a "general purpose" language (yes, awk is touring complete but no way I'm using that except for manipulating text)
  • allows to write in a functional style (ie. it has functions like map, fold, etc and allows to pass functions around as arguments)
  • has a small disk footprint
  • has decent documentation (doesn't need to be great: I can figure out most things, but I don't want to have to look at the interpter source code to do so)
  • has a simple/straightforward setup (ideally, it should be a single executable that I can just copy to a remote system, use to run a script and then delete)

Do you know of something that would fit the bill?


Here's a use case (the one I run into today, but this is a recurring thing for me).

For my homelab I need (well, want) to generate a luhn mod n check digit (it's for my provisioning scripts to generate synchting device ids from their certificates).

I couldn't find ready-made utilities for this and I might actually need might a variation of the "official" algorithm (IIUC syncthing had a bug in their initial implementation and decided to run with it).

I don't have python (or even bash) available in all my systems, and so my goto language for script is usually sh (yes, posix sh), which in all honestly is quite frustrating for manipulating data.

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[–] savoy@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 10 months ago

There's always nushell. It's fairly new, not quite to 1.0 yet (0.96.1 at time of writing), but the constant breaking changes seemed to have stopped. It hits all your points and it's quite fun to use when writing scripts. Bonus that it's also pretty much tailor-made to manipulate data.

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Elixir checks most of those boxes. If you want a good functional scriptibg language, Elixir soynds like the go to. Some lisp language like guile should also be sufficient, and probably have a lighter footprint.

This requirement stands out though:

has a simple/straightforward setup (ideally, it should be a single executable that I can just copy to a remote system, use to run a script and then delete)

Thats basically what ansible does. If you plan on doing this to multiple machines you should just use ansible. Also how do you plan on ensuring the scripting interpreter is installed on the machines?

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Tried bash, Make, and awk/sed. All hit brick walls. Finally landed on pyinvoke. Two dependencies to install on any new machine. Never had problems. Also, easy to debug and modify as projects evolve.

[–] gomp@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

I use just for that usecase - highly recommended

[–] Frederic@beehaw.org 3 points 10 months ago

Quickly came to write "AWK!!!!!!!!!" but yeah... you don't want its superiority... 😜

[–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 10 months ago

You should probably check out Guile.

[–] Samueru@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

posix sh + awk for manipulating data?

[–] Findmysec@infosec.pub 3 points 10 months ago

Perl would be my candidate for more advanced text handling than what sh can do.

Never used Lua but I think it's fun.

If nothing else works, just learn C/Rust. There's plenty of that on Linux systems, I think you'll be able to manage. Yes, it doesn't meet a lot of your requirements.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago

Why not give (Common)LISP a try?

[–] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] gomp@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

nim is great, but it is >200mb (plus AFAIK it is compiled... does it also have an interpreter?)

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

The part where it's compiled is what makes it have no dependencies to actually execute

[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It is possible to wrap something like python into a single file, which is extracted (using standard shell tools) into a tmpdir at runtime.

You might also consider languages that can compile to static binaries - something like nim (python like syntax), although you could also make use of nimscript. Imagine nimscript as your own extensible interpreter.

Similarly, golang has some extensible scripting languages like https://github.com/traefik/yaegi - go has the advantage of easy cross compiling if you need to support different machine architectures.

Bro seriously just slap pyenv + pyenv-virtualenv on your systems and you’re good to go. They’re absolutely trivial to install. Iirc the latter is not a thing in windows, but if you’re stuck on windows for some reason and doing any serious scripting, you should be using WSL anyways.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

Could use a hipster shell like fish, nushell or elvish. I know the latter two have the functional support you're looking for.

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

Why does it need to be a scripting (by this I assume interpreted) language? For your requirements - particularly lightweight distribution - a precompiled binary seems more appropriate. Maybe look into Go, which is a pretty simple language that can be easily compiled to native binaries.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 months ago

You could use Ansible for automation just keep in mind it needs python.

[–] paardendrummer@todon.eu 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Aquila@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

Not sure how big node footprint is but would fit the bill. Would only recommend if you wanna go into web dev career in the future tho 🙃

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