Lemmy

I mean... My own experience here completely agrees with their overall appraisal of the situation.

The only reason I'm still here instead of back there is 3rd party app support...but rather than 100% of my Reddit time becoming 100% Lemmy time, it's more like 100% of my Reddit time becoming 20% still Reddit, from a computer, 20% Lemmy on mobile, and 15% in disbelief that I'm spending time on Facebook, and the remaining 45% of that time I used to spend on Reddit, I'm just not spending it on social media anymore.

So yeah. Lemmy wants to be a reddit alternative, but for me it's just not. It's similar, but with less content overall, less relevant and less interesting content, less interesting comments, and on average a worse community. Other than the shitty spez business practices (which are a big deal, don't get me wrong), Lemmy's just "Reddit, but worse in every way" to me.

Unless Lemmy gets better, it'll never be more than an occasional visit for me...and if Reddit were for some reason to right the ship, shit can spez, and reintroduce 3rd party app support, I'd probably go back in a heartbeat.

I know it sounds like I'm taking the piss, but I don't think I've encountered a kinder, more accepting community than Hexbear, due to admins here actually enforcing civility rules. And I'm sure there's an equally chill instance for people who aren't interested in tearing the arms off their boss and drinking blood directly from the limbless wounds.

I have noticed this too. It's better just to not interact. At the end of the day, I just wanted a better link aggregator than what reddit became and it works nicely for that.

Elitism ? definitly. Especially linux. But toxic ? I only saw cordials talks in here, with a few trolls here and there.

As for csam I never saw any scrolling a bit every days. I saw people talking about another instance encouraging it and troll spamming, it but never once saw it myself.

What I saw on reddit without searching was almost daily gore. And definitly sone real csam (this was a long time ago, seems to be fixed now)

maybe it needs a little curation, but once you've blocked the instances, communities and users that are personally annoying to you, it's a fun and engaging place with the usual share of human noise. Maybe some people are happy to have reddit choosing what deserves to reach your eyes, I like to do it myself :)

Nice, more redditors can only make a forum worse.

We don't have unblockable "He gets us" spam.
That in itself is worth any friction I have to overcome to use the 'verse.

I find Lemmy uses to be a little pretentious oft times, extremely narrow minded in it's left leaning views. Very Reddit like in that last regard, perhaps more so.

At the same time, I do find a lot of insightful, clear headed individuals and some genuinely good people, but that also exists on Reddit.

The people running this site are better by far and the mods a little more level headed, but I don't expect that to last because power always corrupts.

I've already seen some people modding a stupid number of places, which is always a bad sign.

We'll see where this place ends up, but it is not as liberated and people here want to believe, and not as immune to corruption as they think.

I honestly just wish the internet would go back to individual forums. Lemmy is great for a reddit alternative, but I think old school forums were just better overall

I know forums still exist, obviously, but they're kind of shitty right now.

bad actors can spam disgusting shit all over the damn place to the point where one relatively large community (I believe it was c/shitposting on Lemmy. world but I can't remember for sure had to be shut down by the mods for a while because it was being bombarded by CSAM.

I guess he hasn't heard of, I think it was r/AHS, that did exactly this routinely to get subreddits they didn't like shut down.

Never really understood the thought process "If I move to a different place, it'll definitely be magically free of arseholes and people I disagree with." It's just not reflective of reality - wherever you go, there'll be arseholes. Just build your Subscribed feed, dip into All occasionally to se what else is out there, find an instance that takes moderation seriously and aren't actual fascists and block the strays that occasionally make it through.

And OOP is right to say Lemmy has backend issues. The dev team of 2 people is too small and they really need to make safety a massive priority ASAP. Being able to block instances as a user is a big step forward (planned in the next major release I believe) but both mod and admin tools need to be much better and they need to do a lot more to tackle CSAM hits. I hope they're taking note of the various projects @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com has begun to tackle these issues.

In terms of the size of the Lemmyverse, I don't really give a shit about that. What I care about is quality rather than quantity and it stands to reason that as quality continues to improve (as I believe it is) then quantity will follow in its wake.

OOP seems to forget that Lemmy only got as big as it is right now about 4 months ago - of course there's a lack of niche communities and of course there's a lack of tools. Poor old Ernst developing KBin got hit with tens of thousands of users for software that wasn't even out of Alpha.

The best things we can do as users is create good content, encourage discussion etc even when it feels like we're talking into the void. Because sooner or later, if the content is good, people will engage. We're not at that tipping point yet but it'll come if we put the effort in.

/u/spez aliases are getting grumpy.

The outlined issues don't seem to be lemmy exclusive, but then again, I've spent quite a short time here.

The toxicity is caused by the society, not by the platform. From my experience, one can always find a more toxic subreddit.

Reddit is just as much moderated by volunteers, that's the reason I started using reddit. Also, having corporate admins doesn't make the platform any more spam resistant.

If anything I would expect these problems to be more prevalent in smaller (lemmy) platforms and stabilize with growth to reddits level.

Now I'm not trying to defend lemmy, but being even more community driven I want it to succeed and become what reddit used to be.

He is not wrong. I have had to block and get rid of other instances on Lemmy, because they are filled with toxic motherfuckers, and elitist Linux users

I think that, perhaps, the user is trying to use Lemmy as Reddit, rather than using some of the fantastic quality of life improvements that evaporated with the API nonsense.

For example, blocking users and communities (and soon instances). Some users and communities, even if I enjoy them or the instances that they are on, sometimes are just too toxic for me. And that isn't to say that the comms and users necessarily are (sometimes they are) but, that sometimes engaging with some comms and users either causes undue stress or temptation to get involved in an Internet fight. That's not behavior that is good for us, even if it sometimes feels good in the moment.

I'm hoping (and have suggested) that a "timeout" feature gets added to allow one to readily self-regulate and disengage when they find that interactions are approaching the sorts that are algorithmically encouraged on commercial social media platforms. The outrage machine is just terrible and I've found myself much happier and in a better headspace since leaving such platforms. Added bonus is that transphobia actually gets taken seriously on most instances and, while it doesn't technically impact my as a cis guy, I'm much happier knowing that people are able to feel safer to be themselves (or come to terms with themselves).

As for the complaint about people being more likely pedantic or correct people on technical details, I love that - finding out that I'm wrong about something is fantastic because that means that I learned something. When there's topics, like tech, where there are often correct and incorrect answers and they change or get added to regularly, one really needs to leave the ego at the door. We're all humans (and bots and human facsimiles), which means we'll be wrong from time to time. It's a fact of life, effectively in environments where there are a lot of knowledge-workers and the medium of communication is directly related to the topics.

Personally, I'd like to see more comms regarding to digital circuit design and open-source silicon.

I mean… if you’re getting disdain from your home instance… you picked the wrong home instance. Switch instances.