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[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No you shouldn't. Google has enough data already. If it is not self hosted it can't be trusted.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The idea that you should fly with exclusively self-hosted approaches is equally absurd to the idea that you should just blindly trust everyone.

Plus, if they have, as you say, "enough" data already, then surely giving them more doesn't actually hurt you in any way, shape or form?

[–] notenoughbutter@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

yeah, self hosted may be a bit too much for everyone, but they should at least make its training database open as ai is biased on whatever data it is trained on

eg. like how some smart taps won't work for black people as the company just didn't trained the sensors to work with dark skin

imo, nextcloud took the best approach here, allowing users to utilize chatgpt 4 if needed, while still making a totally in-house FLOSS option available

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

why not?

what is so absurd about code running in an users own device?

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because it's just unnecessary. Due to their nature, you want a few services reachable from anywhere, anyways. There's no reason for the average consumer to acquire hardware for this purpose. Just rent the service or the hardware elsewhere, which also reduces upfront cost which is ideal in situations where you cannot know whether you'll stick with the service.

Again, it's either extreme that's absurd. You don't need your own video streaming platform for example. In rare cases, sure. For the vast majority of people, Netflix is a much service however.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

hard disagree on that one, the opposite is true. we end up with companies centralizing it on huge datacenters and not even being able to profit from it (services like youtube are unprofitable). best solution would be a federated service. I digress though because video platforms are a completely different beast.

something as personal like ai assistants should utilize the processing power i already have available, wasteful not to.

also its a BAD idea to hand out data for something so personal to google yet again. lets not keep repeating that mistake if we can avoid it.

[–] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would love to self-host something like that. But I do not have a good enough GPU to do something like that

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Newer Pixels are having hardware chips dedicated to AI in them, which could be able to run these locally. Apple is planning on doing local LLMs too. There's been a lot of development on "small LLMs", which have a ton of benefits, like being able to study LLMs easier, run them on lower specs, and saving power on LLM usage.

[–] httpjames@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Smaller LLMs have huge performance tradeoffs, most notably in their abilities to obey prompts. Bard has billions of parameters, so mobile chips wouldn't be able to run it.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

That's right now, small LLMs have been the focus of development just very recently. And judging how fast LLMs have been improving, I can see that changing very soon.

[–] angelsomething@lemmy.one 35 points 1 year ago

Yeah hard pass for me dog. Are hey not currently in trouble for manipulating search results? What makes you think bard will be any different. Just look at bing chat.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And as Rick Osterloh, Google SVP of Devices & Services, stated in a recent interview with Michael Fisher (MrMobile), "You probably use YouTube, you probably use Google search, you probably use Gmail. You already use Google; if you want the best place to use all of your Google products, it's going to be on a Pixel."

Just like Apple, Google would ideally want full capture of their ecosystem.

The AI features seem useful but Google will likely do one of the following with it within 3 years of release:

A. Kill the feature

B. Nerf the feature to an unusuable level

C. Shove advertising into the feature at every possible opportunity

[–] Virkkunen@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

C and B are definitely happening in the next months, A will start by the end of next year, as support for Bard dwindles and Google moves on to the next AI assistant that has half the features and polish of the previous one.

[–] rgb3x3@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Based on how full-in they're going with Pixel and AI, it'll most likely be a combination of #2 and #3.

They'll abandon the current version for some other incompatible version, leaving everyone using the current version SOL.

Google can't be trusted for long-term product and feature support.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The last thing I want any AI to ever do is to purchase something for me.

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

I hardly ever want my own intelligence to buy random shit

[–] colonial@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Wow, I can talk to the hallucination machine! What an innovation!

... God, imagine if this all this effort went towards fusion power or space infrastructure. What a waste.

[–] jackmarxist@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bard is somehow worse than ChatGPT I hate it

[–] kib48@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

really? they're on the same level imo (they both suck equally)

[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

All I want to know is, will it argue back with me, because the assistant is already a massive smartass, if it can have a proper argument, then I'm all in baby!

[–] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 5 points 1 year ago

I literally just want better support for extensions again

[–] macallik@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

To me, it feels like the final frontier for phones before a pivot to virtual/augmented reality becomes more tangible.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'll believe it when I see it. What will likely happen is that it'll start out good then Google will slowly neuter it and make it dumber and dumber until it's essentially useless like Assistant

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

The only use case I've ever found for assistant is setting up an alarm for when I'm too hungover to find my glasses. That "set an alarm for 845" works a treat sometimes