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[–] lurklurk@lemmy.world 16 points 3 hours ago

Kinda inverts inverted the causality of Netflix starting their own production and other companies pulling their licences. Netflix started their own production to survive the licences getting pulled, which was inevitable as soon as Netflix looked profitable.

They didn't get greedy, they probably started out greedy, ran a good service to grab market share, then had to make moves to defend against the predictable greed of the incumbents.

It's greedy turtles all the way down

[–] brotundspiele@sh.itjust.works 43 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Anon: 2007
The music industry ca. 1981: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Taping_Is_Killing_Music

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 13 points 4 hours ago

Also the book piracy that existed in universities through photocopying and sharing pages.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 14 points 3 hours ago

2007 ? Everybody around me was pirating every single piece of media in 2000 and we were late to the party

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 18 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

I really wish I was a consultant for these fucking jokers.

Back when Disney+ was just "Rumor has it Disney wants to launch their own Netflix-like streaming service.", I called this shit. I said "Well that's just going to cause this whole thing to fall apart, no one's going to juggle 50 different streaming services just to be able to find something to watch."

And I was fucking right.

The only ethical streaming service is Tubi as it doesn't charge relying on ads alone, and it's a neat little bonus that Tubi has actively aided in the restoration of lost media.

If it aint on Tubi, then I'm going to yo-ho-ho with a bottle of fuck you.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

just going to cause this whole thing to fall apart

Disney Plus generated $8.4 billion revenue in 2023, an 13% increase year-on-year.

lol

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 9 minutes ago) (1 children)

Yes, but they also brought back piracy, eroded faith in the brand, and while Disney+ is making money.....

Disney's newer efforts are kinda showing it's not the powerhouse it used to be. With the only thing they really have going for them are the legacy media that they're holding hostage on a platform, they arbitrarily removes things from time to time for seemingly no reason (the Willow series for example, which makes very little sense since that was original to Disney+ to begin with and for some reason Buzz Lightyear of Star Command isn't on the platform despite all the other Toy Story media being present... and there are several episodes of The Simpsons that are just straight up memory-holed; most infamously the Michael Jackson episode)

If this trend continues, Disney will be left with people pirating the legacy media that people at home have shaky access to at best (Monthly fee for content that may be removed with no notice and for no reason), especially as prices soar and wages stay the same, and interest in newer project dwindling.

Or to be blunt, one of the most classic blunders: High short term profits at the cost of being unsustainable in the long term.

Sure it's easy to think of Disney as laughing its way to the bank, but.. think of it this way.

Disney's been king of the world, especially in animation (Which has been getting sidelined in favor of live-action. I guarantee if Mufasa was animated it'd be running neck and neck with Sonic 3 instead of lagging behind). They're a luxury limousine running fast on a road that has no other cars (because Disney bought those cars), and the tank's running out of gas. You won't know it's running on fumes until it comes to a complete stop, but at the speed it's going it will take awhile...

And the second it stops, a simple fuel service isn't going to get it running again. It will get running again, too many people need it to run. So they'll call a mechanic, and it will take to the streets once more.

Is Disney cooked? of course not, but they will see a return of their darkest days. A decade or two of the Disney brand no longer being that shining seal of quality people take it for.

I see it comparable to Nintendo's Wii-U days when the company was a joke with no 3rd Party support and consumers who weren't even sure what the Wii-U was even supposed to be. (Too many passed on it, believing it to be an overpriced gimmicky tablet add-on for the Wii... The launch title being NSMBU instead of something fans hadn't already seen before I think is a big part of the blame for that.)

Nintendo didn't wind up in bankruptcy, but they'd need to reinvent the wheel via the Switch, win back 3rd Party Support, and rekindle the faith of the fans, to get back to being a power house.

[–] Wrrzag@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I guarantee if Mufasa was animated it'd be running neck and neck with Sonic 3 instead of lagging behind).

But mufasa IS animated

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 9 minutes ago

You know what I mean

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 hours ago

And they somehow just became profitable... while also already legacy owning thr vast majority of content

[–] mtpender@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

🏴‍☠️🎶"Yo! Ho! All hands, hoist the colours high!"🎶🏴‍☠️

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago

Pluto is also free with ads

[–] nul42@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

2007? I remember watching a DivX of The Matrix back in 99. Prior to that I remember watching south park episodes in the RealPlayer.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 hours ago

I watched the entirety of Blair witch project the week before it came out in a real player at 300 by 200 pixels. I kept rotating between watching it thumbnail sized and watching it regular player sized. Both were equally inferiorating

[–] mynameisigglepiggle@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Those RealPlayer Southpark episodes were 15mb and had 8 pixels

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

South Park's graphics were so bad back then that probably almost sufficed.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 hours ago

Yeah this was going on before that. Media Piracy really set-off in the late 90s when DSL, and cable, internet services became mainstream. Also Netflix started making their own content in response to a growing number of competing services, all fighting over the same pool of production companies' work, and having exclusive rights to one IP, or another, rather than other services being the result of netflix making their own content.

[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 hours ago

Yes, but you are old as a rock.
Those times are lost in the unknowable pre-history of what we call "the internet" today.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

All I'm going to say is every computer I had was equipped with 2 disk drives until 2010. Elder Millennials and Gen X know why.

[–] humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

I really don't know why. I never had that.
For what - burning CD to CD? But u don't need 2 drives for that, u would just create an iso and burn it using same drive.

[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

My first home computer was an Apple IIgs. It had no hard drive. You need to use a "boot disk" that loaded the operating system, and then once that was in RAM, you could swap out that disk for the one with your program on it. The OS looked a little like early MacOS; it was called ProDOS. You could technically use it to copy floppy disks (the program for that was "Copy II Plus"), but it took forever, because the copy program had to copy a chunk of the disk into RAM, then get you to swap to the target disk, write that chunk, get you to swap back to the first disk, load a new chunk, get you to swap disks again... It generally took about 40 swaps for a 3.5" high-density (by which they meant 800kb) floppy. It was incredibly tedious. If you had two disk drives, though, it could just work continuously without needing to wait for you to swap disks all the time.

[–] woodenskewer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

It was more of a convenience thing. If you had 1 drive you had to babysit the read portion to then install the CD-R after. If you had two it was just load both and carry on for 20 minutes and come back to it.

That was just if you were burning a copy and not ripping. But you're right it wasn't necessary. I just remember more than once wanting a second drive so I didn't have to sit and wait to put the CD-R in after.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

It went marginally faster

[–] PuddleOfKittens@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

So you can play videogames while burning disks? Idk.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 41 points 9 hours ago (8 children)

Exactly this and more.

I'm not even pirating because it's cheaper, or easier. I have near 100TB in storage, and it takes hours per week to search material, have it downloaded, checked, etc. I just am done with the marketing, the branding, the advertising, the bullshit rules. I just want to watch what I want to watch and media companies made this impossible so I'm forced to sail the high seas

[–] wanderingmagus@lemm.ee 11 points 7 hours ago

Why not just... Automate that with an Arr stack? And use Jellyseer to find new and popular movies and shows.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, yeah. More or less.

Compare with the music industry, where there are a good number of streaming services, and pretty much all of them offer the same selection of music, all of it.

I don't think I know of anyone who pirates music at all.

The answer is greed. They make more being vertically integrated doing their own streaming than they would make taking a cut from a third party to host the same content.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Well Soulseek isn't existing you're saying 😊?

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Not too many people know of it.

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 4 hours ago

I live in a place where people don't have money to pay for music streaming services, and even here, no one knows about soulseek or similars. What people do is listen to music via youtube. The only reasonably popular music piracy method around here is using telegram groups.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 40 points 10 hours ago

Netflix didn't get greedy (well not in that way). The movie companies wanted to make their own platform, which would have left Netflix with nothing. So they had to become their own production company. They said "we have to become a production company faster than production companies become streaming companies".

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

I feel bad for the artists.

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 66 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (9 children)

I feel like people are ignoring that Netflix was bleeding money during their "golden age". They only switched to being profitable a couple years back. A lot of times what people describe as enshittification is just unprofitable companies having to come up with an actual business model as venture capital dries up.

Also, merry Christmas:)

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