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Somehow paying for Netflix is fine but god forbid I want to watch a 10 hour loop of the DS9 intro without ads.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 100 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I think most people are angry with YouTube premium because it's a service that doesn't give you anything. It's a service where they stop annoying you. But it doesn't unlock anything new that you didn't have before, doesn't give you access to content or data you don't have access to, it doesn't improve the service. It just removes the annoyances they put there deliberately. So people are a little angry about it

It's a protection racket, for your attention and time.

[–] Misconduct@startrek.website 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The fact that they made it worse so they could lock what we had behind a paywall is what permanently killed YouTube for me. I will bend over backwards to make sure they never receive a penny at this point. They could have added or improved features but they just made everything shitty instead lol screw them.

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[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thats one way to look at it.

The other way is to compare it to the free netflix tier... which doesnt exist.

IMO even being pestered to death I'm slightly amazed that its still free at all.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The problem with this point of view is that Netflix either produces its own content or rents content from other producers. YouTube doesn't produce its own content and also doesn't rent content from producers... it only pays them a percentage of ad revenue (to be comparable to Netflix, YouTube would have to pay creators up front regardless of ad revenue they generate). YouTube profits from the content production of its users, and doesn't actually pay a fair amount for it. For them to charge for access to that content is just... egregious.

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

People post their content to YT for 3 primary reasons

  1. Hosting is free. (In which case they are implicitly giving YT permission to profit off them in return for not charging hosting fees.

  2. They want the largest possible potential audience. Which YT spent a mind boggling amount of money and effort to build. (Although I do wish they had some form of legitimate competition, cant argue that point)

  3. They want to make money off the advertising revenue. (Which aside from Floatplane, is next to impossible to do otherwise)

There is nothing stopping content creators from hosting their own videos on their own servers they pay for but they dont. Because how do you generate the traffic? How do you get clickthroughs? How do you generate income, or just cover expenses?

YT dont owe you anything for free. Its not egregious, its business.

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[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

While I use piped myself I am k with their business model, its just degrading every year making the experience worse for everyone. YouTube can't be compared to Netflix if you look at the bandwidth and the amount of users who don't pay for it. Hosting such a huge video sharing platform for free will never be profitable and the only other way is to make it paid only like Netflix which is obviously not gonna happen. Yeah they have 0 morals, yeah google sucks ass, yeah they treat their users like pigs but wishing it should be completely free with no ads is just wishful thinking.

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 17 points 1 year ago

It's a protection racket, for your attention and time.

It is, but it is only between the free and paid versions. I can't expect a service to exist for my use without some form of compensation. I'd rather pay with money than time.

[–] lauha@lemmy.one 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it doesn't improve the service.

Doesn't it do exactly that? It removes the ads whoch makes it way better.

But it doesn't unlock anything new that you didn't have before

It does give you access to higher quality streaming though, offline play, background play, video queue, picture in picture and youtube music premium. Do you even know what you are talking about?

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[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 1 year ago (11 children)

And here I am, getting the same thing and paying nothing because I've got uBlock Origin.

[–] Maven@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This works fine but the main reason I personally have premium is to support the YouTubers I watch. Adblock gets rid of their revenue while premium pays them MORE than just ads do and now I don't have to worry about it on any platform.

[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Premium still gives them hardly anything. Subscribing to their Patreon is better because they get all your money, minus the small fee.

[–] Maven@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

True but I can afford premium. I can't afford every single persons patreon.

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[–] pissclumps@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How do you run that on a smart tv?

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[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Youtube constantly demonitizes content creators, while protecting doxxers and content thieves. I will not be giving them a single red cent.

[–] regbin_@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Don't give them viewership too.

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[–] TomBombadil@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Somehow paying for Netflix is fine

I-was-saying I was saying paying for Netflix is not fine

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[–] Potfarmer@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Paying for premium is fine, but premium users letting Youtube off the hook for their corporate greed is annoying. If YT ran reasonable ads like they used to in the olden days I wouldn't use an adblocker. Don't even get me started on their garbage search, a multi billion dollar company can and should do better. Then of course there's the fiasco of their demonetization system, and rules that apply to some but not others. Simply put they don't deserve to be paid for premium, if their grinch heart grows and they decide to do better as a company I'd honestly pay for premium.

[–] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tbh, I almost caved and got premium, but I have a lot of the same issues with Youtube that you have.

A big YouTuber was doxxed recently by another big YouTuber, and Youtube did nothing about it. If I was him, I would be going to court.

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[–] frogbellyratbone_@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Somehow paying for Netflix is fine

is it tho? is it?

[–] PoolloverNathan@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago

Only I can have double standards.

[–] teft@startrek.website 26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Meanwhile I'm over here like:

[–] Sasuke@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

paying for netflix isn't fine either

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I'll pay to not be exposed to ads. I'll also pay to support a service I get value from. So I'm paying for YouTube premium, Netflix, Hulu. etc. When a service with media I want that has a more desirable corporate structure becomes available I'll pay for that and maybe get rid of other services. I also occasionally sail the high seas if the thing I want isn't available on any of the services I'm already paying for.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I subscribe to YouTube Music and have since the Play days (R.I.P.). Watching videos without ads is just a perk.

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[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (14 children)

You think that's bad? Mention you use a HP printer sometime. I dare you to try it.

[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Trigger warning:

I have an HP inkjet printer attached to my Windows 11 machine playing YouTube Premium in Chrome without an ad blocker.

Edit: it's a joke, people.

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[–] Redrum714@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well owning a HP inkjet is an objectively stupid thing to do.

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I just find the cost of Premium to be too high.

Here in Sweden it costs about 120SEK/month, that is far too much, I'd happily pay 60-70SEK/month, that would be worth it to me.

And would still give rhem more money than me not watching ads

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[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Hear me out: ublock origin on your computer and revanced manager on your phone.

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[–] AnarchoCummunist@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Use Newpipe like a true comrade.

YouTube without ads on Android, and you can run it in the background with/without the screen off.

[–] TomBombadil@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Newpipe gang rise up

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[–] Osa-Eris-Xero512@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

I pay for it so my kids' accounts don't have ads. They're too young to sort out all the edge cases that aggressive ad blocking generates and for a bonus we get youtube music.

[–] cosecantphi@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Tbh, I lose some amount of respect for anyone who mentions they pay for media that is easily accessed through piracy, netflix included

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[–] ranoss@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think I’m more ok with people playing for YouTube premium. It still helps the creators on YouTube more directly than Netflix

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Paying for Netflix is not fine

[–] UnapologeticAnarchist@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Those who pay are the problem on all platforms. 🏴‍☠️

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[–] Teritz@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Youtube does not offer Content instead they offer space to publish Videos and have Youtube Music.

The Price they are deamding is too high as if they Produce own Content and Music.

Youtube Premium would only be viable for me if i can be anonymous to buy it and removes age restriction,perma bann for YT Shorts the worst they done.

I cannot give a Company money that it this rotten.

Monopoly of YT is just sad.

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[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I believe it's someone else's hard earned money, if they want to throw money to have what is objectively a better viewing experience, then it's not my problem.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's very ferengi to pay for goods and services.

But it is also very ferengi to steal goods and services.

Be a ferengi 😎

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[–] sykael@startrek.website 9 points 1 year ago

I have a YouTube Premium family plan spread between me, my brothers and our mom, only reason why I bother

[–] Macropolis@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

yt-dlp + mpv

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Here’s the thing: how much YouTube content creators are really affected by ad blockers varies widely, and that’s due to several factors such as what region their main viewership is in, their subject matter, and how many viewers of each creator fit the demographic that might use ad blockers. YouTube is the only entity that would have the real data on the real impact to content creators due to ad blockers, and it’s believed that the reason they don’t share that data is so that they can inflate the numbers in order to claim greater losses than they actually suffer— and while that may very well be a strong motivation, I believe the primary motivation to be to hide the wide variation in levels of compensation between their top content creators. If the ad-blocking impact data became public, it would also reveal the wide disparities in how much YouTube compensates different tiers of content creators and would make public deals with top creators that have, until now, remained private.

This so why it’s always discussed in vague terms and as some existential threat— which is is, for them.

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