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    [–] vaguerant@fedia.io 128 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    As long as we're filling out our fantasy browser brackets, I'm hoping that the Servo engine and browser/s can become viable. Servo was started at Mozilla as a web rendering engine only, before they laid off the whole team and the Linux Foundation took over the project. Basically revived from the dead in 2023, the current project is working on an engine and a demonstration browser that uses it. It's years away from being a usable replacement for current browsers and the engine is certainly the main project. A separate browser which employs Servo as its engine is a more likely future than an actual Servo browser.

    Still, you can download a demo build of the official browser from the web site. Currently, it's only usable for very simple web sites. Even Lemmy/Mbin display is a little broken, and I think of those as fairly basic. YouTube is out of the question. One of the sites that's been used to demonstrate its capability to render web pages is the web site for Space Jam (1996) if that gives you any idea of its current state.

    The original 1996 Space Jam web site, running in the Servo demo browser.

    [–] stetech@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (5 children)

    Honest question, since I have no clue about web/browser engines other than being able to maybe name 4-5 of them (Ladybird, Servo, Webkit, Gecko, … shit, what was Chromium’s called again?):

    What makes browsers/browser engines so difficult that they need millions upon millions of LOC?

    Naively thinking, it’s “just” XML + CSS + JS, right? (Edit: and then the networking stack/hyperlinks)

    So what am I missing? (Since I’m obviously either forgetting something and/or underestimating how difficult engines for the aforementioned three are to build…)

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    [–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 31 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Well… according to ladybird, at this point they are more conformant than servo in web standards…

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    [–] rickdg@lemmy.world 38 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

    Let’s see how ladybird writes docs in the future. Will they assume the user is a man and shut down any corrections for being political?

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    [–] lemon@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (40 children)

    I’m OOTL. Are these actual issues people have with the project?

    C++ might not be as memory-safe as Rust, but let’s not pretend a Rust code base wouldn’t be riddled with raw pointers.

    BSD tells me the team probably wants Ladybird to become not just a standalone browser but also a new competing base for others to build a browser on top of – a Chromium competitor. Even though BSD wouldn’t force downstream projects to contribute back upstream, they probably would, since that’s far less resource-intensive than maintaining a fork. (Source: me, who works on proprietary software, can’t use GPL stuff, but contributes back to my open-source dependencies.)

    [–] dreugeworst@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    well, its possible to check if a rust equivalent would be riddled with raw pointers: just check the Servo code base.

    personally I think its a good thing to have another browser implementation, regardless of specific choices they make about language or license

    [–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    C++ might not be as memory-safe as Rust, but let’s not pretend a Rust code base wouldn’t be riddled with raw pointers.

    I'm curious. Why do you believe the last statement to be true?

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    [–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I'm never going to be one to dog on something before I try it. If it's good and can offer the same or better experience as Firefox then sign me up. The biggest sticking point for me, though, is potentially losing Firefox's massive add-in library. I really like my uBlock Origin and Restore YouTube Dislike and my VPN extension and Metamask and all the other crap I've got there.

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    [–] MITM0@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago

    Is it that difficult to implement a CopyLeft licence ? Well we do have Servo (A modular browser engine) in development & SeaMonkey is a thing too (Which is an entire internet-application suite)

    [–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    it is also written from the ground up wich means it also has its own engine

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