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Hi all! This is an alt for anonymity. Please be gentle, this is a hard topic for me to discuss.

I'm a progressive United States citizen who is looking to get out. I'm of Italian descent so I'm working on getting Italian citizenship through jure sanguinis, but it's going to take some time, if it works at all (gotta substantiate some relations) and won't extend to my husband until he completes a citizenship test, which he can do after living in Italy for two years.

Here's my big question: is moving to Italy even a good idea?

I know there's a significant element of fascism there, but that seems to be the case to varying extents throughout Europe. I've visited a few times as a tourist and everyone was very kind. I also have a US cousin that lives there as a permanent resident near Napoli and she is very encouraging, saying people will be welcoming. We don't want much, just to make a living and maybe have a kid.

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[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 70 points 1 week ago (7 children)

As I haven't seen this mentioned so far: Be sure that you both learn the language.

Seen a lot of posts in other immigration heavy subs/communities where people move to europe and don't make any effort on learning the local language, and then are surprised/depressed that they can't find any friends or jobs

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[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean you don't have to live in Italy after getting your citizenship they are an EU country with freedom of moment.

[–] AHamSandwich@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

True, but my husband does for two years prior to getting his citizenship.

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Ah yeah that will be the wrinkle

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[–] Electric_Cowboii@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Not to hate but what steps have you made to change your current situation? All Europe is moving towards the far right spectrum, if Italy were to be in the same boat are you going to keep on running? Why not try to improve your local community and make a change instead of running away. That’s the main reason why we are in this mess, instead of communities coming together, people leave and the o lay ones left behind are the ones voting for where we are at now.

[–] AHamSandwich@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

No hate at all, it's a good question. We're both politically active, we even met at a protest lol. We've been involved in local politics for over a decade.

We're now in our thirties and are just tired of the US employment rat race and general political apathy. I'm not going to pretend we're not being selfish. We're just tired.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 12 points 1 week ago

Life is most certainly better in an Italian city then an America mid tier nothing city.

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[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The far right national government certainly isn't good, but you're right that it's probably not that far off from most other big european countries right now. Definitely research the specific region you're moving to, there are often extremely large differences between regions in european countries when it comes to political leanings, general tolerance and economic opportunities and it's not always as clear-cut as "big cities good, countryside bad" or "north good, south bad".

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Italy is being run by fascist lite.

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[–] cujo@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I can't offer much but to say I'm quite jealous, lol. My wife and I have researched just about every possible opportunity to do the same, just to find everything either doesn't apply to us or is just out of reach at this time (and for the foreseeable future). Asking for help around this topic typically leads to an insane amount of backlash online, so I've found...

[–] AHamSandwich@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, the Italian subs on the other place weren't very kind when I asked a few years ago.

If I might offer some possibly applicable advice, hire a genealogist if you think you're eligible but are stuck. I spent ten of hours researching what seemed like a dead end. We hired a genealogist who found what I needed in less than two hours and pointed out another eligible line I didn't know qualified.

[–] cujo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

We've explored that route pretty thoroughly, unfortunately... Neither of us are eligible.

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[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just wanna say warm wishes, share your research if you find anything.

[–] tlekiteki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

If you contribute financially you will find a warmer welcome, I guess

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I’m comparing my options with the US, China, and Japan. All three have their issues but quality of life is much higher in the latter two.

I would consider Italy to similarly have a much higher quality of life which is worth it with all politics aside.

You comment about Italy having been fascist, and I would respond with no matter what you think about the political situation in China life is leagues above that in the US. Point being it would very much be worth it!

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[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Oh hey, we're kinda on the same boat here (without the jure sanguinis part). Probably would try to get to a university instead. A big bet, I know, but there's not much to go on here either.

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