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I apologize if this has been asked a ton, still migrating to lemmy. Still stuck on crappy reddit out of habbit, but i've found the lemmy universe to be much more helpful.

Basically I've had a Dell Xps 13 9310 laptop for 4-5 years maybe? and I've put the thing through hell and back. Always (I believe) fixing it though and bringing it back to life. However, it seemed as if any linux distro i ever installed always had some sort of problems. I don't know Linux well enough yet to be able to trouble shoot because it seems there's many different routes to do it in Linux.

I've gone through so many distros and DEs and have tried everything on this thing. Well I think I finally bricked it after tinkering around with it. So I'm trying to plan a new budget setup.

I've always been a laptop guy because I love being able to lay on the couch by the TV and also have my laptop right there in front of me. I suppose im open to a small form or mini form desktop or box and just get a small display and a wireless keyboard/touchpad combo.

I just don't know how to find what's better compatible with linux. I see so much talk about "X" computers being great for Linux and to avoid "Y" computers because they dont work well with Linux (which I found out the newer Dells kinda suck. becoming more locked down and proprietary like Apple). I know there's companys like Tuxedo or Pine or Pop Os that sell their specific Linux friendly devices, but those are all too expensive for me.

I'm looking for a machine that can easily handle Linux but also handle I guess a system or network, basically something strong enough to be a stable link in my entire network; if that makes sense. Because I have many plans for things I want to learn about and add to my network or system down the road. Also something durable and fairly user friendly.

The million dollar question(s)..... how am I supposed to know which machines are better or even "compatible" with Linux? like all linux distros or flavors? I ran into a firmware/driver issue with my Dell and linux.... they provided only a handful of drivers/firmware for ONLY Ubuntu 20.04. super limited and meant as a windows machine. As far as ram and storage, those are probably not pertinent and more of personal preference. But I guess it boils down to things like the cpu, gpu, ram, idk, whatever is important for Linux? any tips or advice is greatly appreciated. I want to finally take this serious and ensure I have the right equipment for what I want to do instead of falling for the newest, shiny things lol. Thanks

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[–] recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Avoid Kaby Lake processors. I specifically have i7-7600u in my laptop and must use a kernel parameter otherwise it kernel panics freezes minutes after booting. Sometimes it still freezes when waking up from sleep or hibernate. Something to do with power management or such.

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[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Old thinkpads are the golden standard of Linux compatible laptops, far superior build quality compared to the crap they put out today. Cheap and durable, if a little outdated in specs. TLP is a popular battery management tool that have specific built integration with thinkpads. I managed to snag a couple thinkpads through FB marketplace pre covid for under 200$ each, my daily driver being a t460 made in 2015. i7 quad core processor, 16gb ram, its weakest link is the Intel onboard GPU. The newer thinkpads let you use thunderbolt 3.0 to plug in an external GPU but there's a trade off between how new a thinkpad is and its build quality. The old ones could be used as body armor plates and probably stop a 50 cal bullet and boot up fine afterwards, the new ones not much

[–] Macaroni9538@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

so what i've been doing is finding various models through the generations and researching their cpu's and oddly enough, nearly every one i've put in has had subpar ratings or rankings..... idk if that really matters or not

[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It depends on what you expect your laptop to do. 8gb ram and a 2.4ghz i5 quad core processor is acceptable for almost any computing task out side of playing heavier load video games or specialty IT stuff like LLMs or cryptomining. If your main concern is video games go with the base model steam deck. Also, when you go check out listing for used think pads you will find they contain wildly different specs even if they are the same series. This is because the companies that bought them new X years ago spend some sweet corporate cash on decking them out with the at-the-time highest end options ordered custom from lenovo, and then they throw them in the literal trash a decade later. Some people who dig them out and resell on facebook don't know a thing about computers and think they are only worth the base options used price.

[–] Macaroni9538@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This helps alot actually because tbh, I don't know what "works" good together as far as ram and cpu specs

[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Glad to have helped you out. Whatever you decide to get, I highly recommend you give Linux Mint a try next. I started with ubuntu, went to mint and haven't looked back since. Its been my daily driver for half a decade now and has worked absolutely perfectly with every laptop and desktop ive ever owned. My elderly parents use mint without issue every day.

A quick cheat sheet for understanding computer spec lingo:

Ram:

4gb = bare minimum

8gb = pretty good

16gb = awesome

Intel CPU cores:

duo/two cores = bare minimum

quad core/four cores = pretty good, most common

more = awesome

Intel CPU processor

i3 = bare minimum

i5 = pretty good

i7 = awesome

Intel CPU processing speed measured in gigahertz ghz

2.x ghz = average

3.x ghz = awesome

hard drive

HDD = Slower and more limited lifespan but ok, tends to be higher storage space than SSD for cheaper

SSD = Faster and much longer lifespan, usually only goes up to 256GB but its possible to find 512GB. More expensive than HHDs

Harddrive Storage Space

100GB = bare minimum

256GB = average

512GB = pretty good

1TB = Awesome

Upgrading

You can have a computer shop upgrade harddrives to a multi terabyte SSD as well as replace the batteries for you if you do your research and provide it for them.

Another big win for thinkpads is theres lots of documentation on upgrading, and you can order official parts right from lenovo vendors through their website Which is huge for replacing batteries when they degrade to the point of annoyance. Thinkpads have an external battery and an internal one both you can replace to get supposedly about 10 hours of battery life. I get like 3 at this point so I may be considering this option soon. The Linux command TLP can help you get a good estimate on how degraded your batteries are.

Anyways Good luck!

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

As a general recommendation: whatever you get, try your best to have an AMD core.

Not a tech guru in any way but any AMD machine is just more friendly for linux

[–] Macaroni9538@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Really??? I have always heard the opposite, that Intel is best for Linux? who knows

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My personal experience comes from running several machines over the years and AMD always returned the best results, from laptops to desktops.

My current desktop is reachin 11 years of service and still reliable.

[–] Macaroni9538@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Don't think I have much experience with AMD, almost always Intel. Are there certain generations that are like cutoff for being too old to be stable, quick, and performant?

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

My first laptop was a MSI AMD+Nvidia, circa 2005. It was a low spec machine yet it outperformed and outlived laptops coworkers had with higher specs. Back then I used Ubuntu and drivers were available out of the box. It managed cpu better and the machine ran smoother than under windows, which would stress the cpu more. Ran it for almost 9 years and I retired it because it made no sense spending the €100+ to have the graphics card repaired.

From that point forward, all my AMD machines were always responsive and reliable.

My current desktop is already 10 years (Sempron based) old and it outperforms my laptop, which is 5 years younger (AMD as well).

I am a bit of a Linux missionary and every single machine I ever managed to bring to the dark side always ran smoother under Linux, regardless the core, but Intel often posed some extra hurdle to install. One particular case I still remember today was a laptop that required to manually install network card drivers, both wired and wireless. The required driver was available in the installer but it always failed to load.

I'll risk anything from the last 10 years will be good. I'd personally recommend a minimum of 8GB of ram, DDR3. The technology is really cheap and mature at this point.

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[–] MasterNerd@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The arch wiki is a great source for this. Usually I'll just search the model and it'll come up.

I found your laptop there for reference: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dell_XPS_13_(9310)

[–] ransomwarelettuce@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

In my experience it comes down to avoid nvdia and check for the network/wifi chipset support on linux.

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