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Cross-posted from "Liberals right now..." by @return2ozma@lemmy.world in !politicalmemes@lemmy.world


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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Capitalism is violence. Having billionaires while people starve is violence. Denying healthcare while spending billions on military is violence. Supplying weapons or finances to states commiting genocide is violence.

Right now, if you are passive, you are complicit in immense amounts of violence.

Somehow this is lost on liberals. (Or alternatively they believe the once every 4 years elite propaganda contest [elections] or strongly worded petitions are the only effective ways of dissent).

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Seriously! I don't understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp

Just because it's a passive or hidden violence, or done from a complete disregard of people, doesn't make it less violent towards the affected

It's like the whole thing of how "murder is bad but war is acceptable". Like, why is one perceived so different just because it's state sanctioned? It's considered abhorrent to talk about violently removing a war criminal from their position of harm. It's complete nonsense

But what if i get table scraps from the violence and so don't want to get rid of it because i like my treats?

Okay but uts not violence if i don't consider them people, or have to think for a second to assign accountability to a specific person.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

It won't be violent if the ruling class don't make it violent.

That is to say, it will be violent.

[–] pcgaldo@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Could be. Stopping working for the system, with massive strikes. There is nothing they fear more. But they will exercise violence first, have no doubt. They are the lords and masters of violence. With violence they have the upper hand. A difficult situation to manage.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

History has shown us again and again that when capital feels threatened, it gets violent anyways. Look at how many strikes have been beaten down, shot or even bombed (look it up, the first plane-dropped bombs in the US were dropped on striking miners)

I dislike violence, and I don't think it's good strategy to start it (that's why I'm a syndicalist), but realistically, we should be ready for the reaction.

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

look it up, the first plane-dropped bombs in the US were dropped on striking miners

Lest we forget about the Black Wall Street massacre.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fair enough. 1921 truly was a good year to bomb the american people, it would seem

God, the best year for bombing american civilians. 2025 is looking pretty promising though.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Actually might've been on black people getting money in oklahoma. I forget which was first.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Someone else linked that, the Tulsa massacre was indeed a couple of months earlier

Okay, months, i feel better not knowing it was sooner.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

As soon as we exercise the right to strike they will attempt to A) beat us back into submission via lawfare and actual repression and B) bring in scabs

Thus we will be forced to defend ourselves, our communities and to prevent scabs from working. Sabotage of production may be required. Now property damage. Now we're back at violence. Do you think the coal mining unions went to war with pinkertons and cops because they loved violence? It's because they started with strikes and this is the route capital takes to escalate in response.

[–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 2 days ago

You need stockpiles of food, water and heat.

But yes, this is the way.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 7 points 2 days ago

Easiest trick: Show two options, let people pick a side and then pitch them against each other.

The problem is complex enough that both options are hammers that won't help to repair a watch.

[–] shades@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

“murder is bad but war is acceptable”.

War isn't acceptable, that doesn't mean the other guy with plenty of guns isn't going to war with/at you.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Most are just too afraid to say they're afraid, perhaps, which is a more understandable position.

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Avada Kedavra ain’t violence.

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