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I’m back in the states for holidays but this time it was such a shock to realize everything looks so old, like from the airport to the convenience stores, malls, gas stations, etc. Why does everything look like it hasn’t changed from the 90s? And I was out just for a couple of months but things look newer and shinier in Panama and El Salvador compared to here. I cannot even imagine what some of you coming back from east Asia must feel. Did our country peak in the 90s and other countries are going through their renaissance? I love the convenience of the US where everything is open 24 hrs and you can get things delivered to your door basically overnight if you pay the price but I feel like we’re stuck with very old and boring infrastructure, makes me feel almost the same way I felt when I went to eastern Europe

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[–] juliankennedy23@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know about that. I mean, I went to Italy and Greece this summer, and half the buildings are falling down. One stadium in the middle of Rome looked half finished.

[–] rhombusdiphthong@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Did we peak in the 90s? More like the 50s. That’s when much of our infrastructure was built…

[–] simple-me-in-CT@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago
[–] JollyManufacturer@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Because US allocates most of its budget to military rather than infrastructure.

[–] martinis00@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m in currently in Rome. Your perception of old is strange

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[–] NoReplyBot@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Just wait until you see how new Gaza looks with this new IDF infrastructure plan underway.

Everything looks new when it’s freshly built.

[–] sweathogbrooklyn@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

If you think everything looks old here, you should see the Coliseum in Rome, the pyramids in Egypt or the Parthenon, in Greece.

The 90’s wasn’t THAT long ago. Same for the 1890’s. Compared to a lot of places, the United States of America is brand new.

That's weird because I think everything looks so modern nowadays in the states, like we're prioritizing the wrong things just to make things look modern and shiny

[–] Oxymera@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Depends on where you go, “booming” cities look nicer and “failing” cities look worse. Biden just approved the largest infrastructure improvement plan in US history so getting new infrastructure is in the works. Though, we probably won’t see the effects for a decade or 2, atleast.

[–] TheLemonadeJoe@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

For me as a foreigner, things looked not quite old, not quite new. In the suburbs and exurbs, everything crumbled. In NYC, where I lived for a bit, everything was brand spanking new and shiny. In other cities, things were grosso modo the way they are in shitty cities all over the world. It's a very mixed picture.

[–] n3xtday1@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

As an immigrant who has lived in the US for the past 15 years, my take is that many Americans don't see the need to renovate real estate to look new/updated/modern. Comfort has a higher order in the value chain than aesthetics. America is more casual than most other developed countries. I can't imagine going back to my advanced country and seeing people outside of their home wearing pajamas. But I see it regularly in America. There's nothing wrong with it per se, it's just different values.

[–] QuokkaClock@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

We stopped building when the wealthy figured out how to rob the public trust

[–] ForeverAsleep13@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

U.S Prioritized foreign wars,corruption/mishandled and embezzled tax dollars along side putting their citizens last in terms of health and happiness. This is much deserved for the U.S in my opinion - I'm glad i got my second citizenship when I did because I feel no love or patriotism toward this country after how they treat the general public.

[–] ZaphodG@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Ronald Reagan kicked off the cut taxes thing where the US stopped investing public money in infrastructure. It has accelerated over the decades since then.

[–] Nomad0133@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago
[–] FairIsleEngineer@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I think you're forgetting that the United States was ahead of much of the world developing our economy and therefore our infrastructure is also older. It wasn't that many decades ago that our infrastructure was heads and tails above and thevenvy of some of the countries that you are listing. Our population density is often lower so it costs more per capita to keep up on infrastructure maintenance than it does in a more densely populated country.

[–] Magi_Reve@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Where exactly in the US? Idk about comparing a large country to smaller nations and whole continents.

[–] Little_Creme_5932@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The US didn't peak in the 90s. It peaked in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.

We spent 20 plus years since 9/11 putting our money to war. So we had none left over to actually improve our country. We also privatized everything so corporations have an incentive to use infrastructure until it crumbles. Especially if they have a monopoly like our utilities. Finally we decided to allow billionaires to not pay any tax. We allow social media to distract everyone from actually getting organized and fight out oppressors. Etc etc etc.

[–] Pleasant-Pie3288@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I have been in Mexico for the last month and a half. I'm not finding that to be the case. Maybe in Mexico City.

[–] Dimaswonder2@alien.top 0 points 1 year ago

The US is still the tech innovator leader of the world. The entire 21st century world - tech, culture, medicine, science research (
Most euro brilliant scientists immigrate to US because they get to keep their inventions) is American. Rest of world doesn't realize it or wont admit to it.

But we do face problem of massive debt, $33 trillion. That is what halts infrastructure reform difficult.

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