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Countries with lower taxes and a better quality of living?

I’m currently stuck in Denmark, and it feels like I’m in a never ending financial tug of war with the government, saying goodbye to 50% of my hard earned cash each month. Add a 25% VAT on everything and throw in some hefty taxes on utilities, electricity etc, and you’ve got a situation that has me questioning if this is the life I signed up for.

Living in a place where the cold weather feels like an extra tax on happiness, I’m craving a change.

I’m all about individualism, self-sufficiency, and independence. So here’s the big question: Where in the world are you guys finding that sweet spot between low taxes and a great quality of life?

As I contemplate my escape plan, Cyprus, Portugal, and Dubai are on my radar. I dream of living in a country where taxes don’t feel like daylight robbery. But, and it’s a big ‘but,’ my online income isn’t quite flexing its muscles enough for a move to the streets of Dubai just yet.

So, where are you residing? What’s the tax scene like in your corner of the world? Are you doing a happy dance every payday, or are you, like me, wistfully staring at your bank statement, wondering where all your money went?

And let’s not forget the living conditions. On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate your overall quality of life?

I’m not just asking for my benefit, this is a collective quest for a better lifestyle.

Your input is greatly appreciated!

(Just to be crystal clear, I’m not fishing for a lecture on why I should be grateful for my current Danish situation or any unrelated personal opinions. If your input doesn’t contribute constructively, save it for another time.)

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[–] Fit_Following4598@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

High taxes = stealing money.

I live in Dubai, I pay zero taxes. I would never live in a country that charge high taxes

[–] Malik_Archive@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Agreed! Would love to connect in dms

[–] terserterseness@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I lived in Dubai for a bit; sure not tax but I think it’s hell on earth. Rather pay a lot of tax than be there.

[–] Malik_Archive@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] terserterseness@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Crap weather so you are inside with aircon, if you are making nice money you live in the fake part where they shield you from the crap and you basically live in a some kind of expensive mall, it’s almost impossible to make friends because everyone works 247, the laws are terrible (pay your rent too late and see what happens). I don’t know anyone who lived there from europe who stayed or liked it; after about a year you really want to go to Denmark. Or anywhere else actually. My colleague (who I met there) was born there; he moved to Germany as soon as he could.

[–] Fit_Following4598@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bullshit, I live in Dubai and the bad weather is only during summer, 5 months per year. You don't stay outside much during that period but that doesn't mean you stay inside your apartment lol. You take a taxi or your car and you can go enjoying life in many bars or entertainment spots that Dubai offers. Winter is amazing in Dubai.

You have crap weather in Northern Europe too in winter when it's always cold and gloomy and I'd say is worse than the summer in Dubai.

Salaries in Dubai are extremely high, especially for foreigners that work in the IT or engineering fields. I earn almost 20,000€ per month working in cybersecurity. Zero taxes.

There is an amazing food scene, it's incredibly safe, the airport is one of the most well connected in the world...you can literally fly everywhere you want during weekends because your salary allow you to do it if you want. In Europe you can't do it because it's barely enough to make ends meet. There are so many entertainment options in Dubai and a thriving expat community.

[–] terserterseness@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are different tastes: I think it sucks, you like it. That’s fine, please stay there, all good. That’s fine. I said why I don’t like it, you just like different things. I found it awful for the reason stated. I don’t want to ‘fly anywhere’ because ‘I can’ and i don’t want to take taxis 5 months a year because it’s hell outside. In Northern Europe I put on a coat and go outside; there is no such thing in Dubai because it just sucks in summer (and I actually don’t like the weather in winter either).

I make 400k/year after taxes in Europe so that story doesn’t apply to me. And have been making over 200k/year for the past 20 years. I still would rather make 50k and not live in Dubai than 400k and having to live there.

[–] Fit_Following4598@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As if you can enjoy the weather in Denmark or in North Europe during the winter when outside is -5°C and gloomy. I'd rather take the Dubai summers which I don't like but I still prefer compared to freezing, gloomy and dark winters that force you to stay inside in a depressing mood.

And 400k after tax in Europe is 1st percentile. Hardly believable unless you live in Switzerland. In Dubai you can make lots of money as an expat because they offer huge compensation packages to attract foreign high skills workers and because you can invest the money you save each month and don't have to pay any capital gain taxes on your investments. That's not the case in Europe.

[–] terserterseness@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I do enjoy that weather. Matter of taste right?

And yes I know as I have lived and worked in Dubai that you can make a lot of money easily. Still never will go back.

[–] Cautious-Roof2881@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think people are crazy when they say Dubai. When you say goodbye to Denmark, you won't miss it till your gone.

[–] Malik_Archive@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Will not miss Denmark

[–] roseba@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It’s really hard to believe that people are talking about US as the utopia for taxes and infrastructure. They talk about our high salaries. When I traveled in Finland this summer, my friend was astounded how much something as basic as tampons cost. My daughter called me and she needed some cash to pay for them. So while “the taxes are low” and “the salaries are high”, what do you have left over at the end of basic necessities is not a whole lot

Health insurance for a person who has company sponsored insurance is at least $10,000 a year. And that’s a good price from employer based insurance. If you’re a freelancer it’s going to cost a lot more and that doesn’t include co-pays. You see you can spend $10,000 a year on health insurance but still have to sell out another $30 every time you go to the doctor . And your insurance still will not pay for everything and you’ll get additional bills, the ones we call mystery bills, where you agree to pay whatever fees without knowing what they’re gonna cost until after you’ve had the procedure done.

The cost of food here is astronomical. The quality of it is mediocre. The cost of housing is so unaffordable that most people can never buy a home. As other posters have said in almost every place, you have to have a car and that’s very expensive to run. The average cost for public university is $30,000 a year.

But throughout this entire thread, people talk about subsidies for the poor people. But they never talk about the other cost of government. Judges cost a lot of money. Legislators cost a lot of money. So much of taxes go to things that middle income and poor people don’t use. So much of taxes go to the ultra wealthy, and they are schemes to avoid paying for the infrastructure that helps them get wealthy. it’s very difficult to get wealthy in a place that doesn’t have a legal structure in place to make it happen.

[–] zenax-123@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

OP you might want to look into Nomad Capitalist on YouTube. Much of the content caters to wealthier people but there's still alot of value to be found there.

[–] EnaicSage@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

As an American with family in Copenhagen, Stockholm, Mexico, parts of Latin America, various parts of Canada, Philippines, Australia, and about a dozen other countries, I simply want to encourage you (and everyone) to list out what you have to buy or get from your taxes. For example you may pay less in taxes but require health insurance out of pocket. You may pay more in taxes but public transit might be free. While it is absolutely painful paying cost of living and seeing chunks of pay come off as taxes, doing the actual line item math will turn many of these recommendations on their head.

[–] LiftDontFap@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Check out Nomad Capitalist on Youtube, you’ll love it

[–] stringged@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Santa Cruz, Bolivia. Beautiful city, lots to do, active nightlife. 0% on foreign income.

[–] akohhh@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Dubai when you believe in individualism? lol

[–] Marsh_Wiggle86@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you're rich enough to complain about taxes you're rich enough to pay em. As an American wage slave I'd trade my address for a European address any day of the week.

[–] Malik_Archive@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Stay a peasant

[–] TadpoleHorror5146@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you have no values if you're coming on here to show support for Russia invading Ukraine

[–] Malik_Archive@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TadpoleHorror5146@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

you and your family deserve nothing but misery. fuck you.

[–] OrderFamiliar420@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Are you European? I am. I’m in the US. It’s all about individualism here.

I pay way less tax. And then literally everything I need - everything - I have to pay for.

The medication I’m on runs at almost $3k a month. I don’t pay that because I have excellent insurance through my very fancy highly paid job, a job that’s not available to me in Europe. If I ever lose that job I’ll be out of picked $3k a month for those meds or pay about the same for health insurance. Similar story with dental care.

There is no pension coming my way though is I need a 401k ie a private pension savings account. That comes out of my pre-tax total but after that plus tax and insurance contributions I am left with about the same % take home pay as in Europe.

The food is 3x more expensive and so bad for you. I have to supplement with minerals that I need to pay for because the food doesn’t have it naturally here. I need extra vitamins because I am permanently vitamin D and calcium deficient no matter what I eat. Except European cheese which is the only cheese my stomach can tolerate. Can’t eat wheat here either. So yeah proper nutrition ah the equivalent level I was getting in Europe is expensive.

The public transit sucks. I have a car so I can leave the major city I live in on weekends. Can’t take a train anywhere good. So I have to pay for that. Can’t leave it on the street due to crime so I have to pay for a garage.

Then there’s the cost of education for kids. Something that may eventually mean I leave the US.

I don’t know where you’re from or why you’re stuck in Denmark but the high taxes are just a shortcut to an easier life for all the benefits they give you. If you don’t value those then I agree it’s time to leave.

[–] RegisterOk6206@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Two points a lot of people are missing here:

  • it’s hard to build wealth in a country like Denmark. It’s easy to keep wealth in a country like Denmark.

  • younger generations have zero guarantee that the money they pay now for insurance and retirement will actually benefit them once they need it.

Let me explain.

The inheritance tax is significantly lower than the income tax. Gifting tax between family members is 0%. Denmark as other European countries is a tax haven for people with rich parents. If op doesn’t have rich parents to inherent real estate from or get pre inheritance gifts he can only build the wealth himself but is taxed at a significantly higher rate. The tax system clearly favors those who are already wealthy and makes it virtually impossible to become wealthy.

Moving on the benefits. Yes benefits are great in countries like Denmark or neighboring EU countries, but as a young healthy, childless person op is only subsidizing these services for mainly old people at a fairly high premium. Denmark has an aging population and therefore a smaller group of young people has to subsidize the costs for retirement and health care for an increasingly old population. This might eventually not check out and there’s no guarantee that young generations will be able to expect that level of service once they’re ready to retire.

[–] metricless@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

OP wants to be a rugged individualist; but can’t take a few dissonant comments ❄️🤡

Don't come to the UK. Your situation would be the same. That's my warning.

But this guy is on-pointe and always updates regularly : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26qp5zBatDA.

The quality of life here compared to Nordic countries is terrible. Poor healthcare, lots of tax - you don't see what the goverment does with tax. 5/10 for quality of life. Jobs are bad, housing is bad/ renting is abysmal. Cost of food is high. Bills are high.

You could come be a tourist for a week. But after that it really sucks. Desparate to get out!

Your "values" are that people living in small countries should be invaded and that their women and children should be slaughtered? Anything as long as it doesn't interfere with your pursuit of pleasure in the here and now.?

if you IT you can pay either 8,5% or 12% tax in Poland since 2021

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