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[–] bzarb8ni@lemm.ee 56 points 11 months ago (4 children)

And yet we keep electing Conservative premiers, who are doing their damnedest to gut pubic health...

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's a massive disconnect with voters, who believe the Federal government is ruining their lives when it's the premier who impacts their daily lives.

This is why the "fuck Trudeau" crowd is viewed as a bunch of idiots. They acknowledge a problem, but blame the wrong person. πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

They also tend to blame high taxes for literally everything wrong in the world.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

My brother in law, driving around in his completly blacked out SUV with the Fuck Trudeau sticker on the back is like this. Meanwhile, he is about to head into his annual unemployment period (that CPC tried to cut off last time), enjoying legal weed (CPC voted against), paying $10 a day for daycare, collecting the childcare benefit monthly, collecting the carbon rebate , had his income taxes cut, had his industry kept afloat by pandemic spending, I could go on all day.

But he is convinced by memes and shit he hears from the other guys on his smoke break that Trudeau's carbon tax is the reason he and wife, both of whom do seasonal, unskilled labour jobs, can't afford a 4 bedroom house rental.

Well that, and good old fashioned rural racism. Apparently, before Indian people started working at the Tim's they never got a coffee order wrong. You know, the good old days where young white fast food workers were world fucking famous for flawless service.

Like dude, please, tell me more about how hard done by the Liberals you are as you drag on your 76th cigarette of the day and slip words in over your 4th Coors light.

Can't wait for all the insufferable glee I'll be faced with from him if Pierre is made PM. Wonder how he'll manage to blame Trudeau when the daycare funding dries up and the seasonal EI cuts come back.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Maybe if the NDP actually put forward an inspiring social democratic program that goes beyond "we will negotiate with the liberals to save you some money per year"...

[–] Magrath@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

Voting NDP is worse than voting Trudaeu in their eyes from speaking to a few of from that crowd. Don't know what koolaid they've been drinking.

[–] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

Canadians are considering voting in conservatives at every level of government. I would love for it to be true, but what makes you think Canadian voters are pining for more left leaning policies. If anything, absurdly, voters seem to want to punish Trudeau for going too far left!

[–] Doubleohdonut@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You'd think of all people that Doug Ford's family would be impacted by significant health issues. That maybe there'd be some empathy for those who aren't as well off as his family. But no.

I will continue to vote for the betterment of this country, which I don't believe is solely derived from the financial prosperity of its people. Everyone in Ontario deserves to have reasonable health care access, and considering how spread out the population is, we need a system which is designed to accomodate that. Ugh. Just fuck the conservatives. They should try planting the trees our children will play under instead of installing more Impark lots.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Conservatism does not have a mechanism for dealing with long-term problems. They can't plant trees, so to speak.

Their philosophy is to conserve the existing (or revert to previous) normative social and economic hierarchies. That means, for the most part, God over man, men over women, rich over poor, white over black, straight over LGBT and the maintenance of historical privelles generally. If you've ever wondered how social and economic conservative get along, this is why, they're both trying to conserve these hierarchies but just with a different focus, they largely try to preserve the hierarchy they find themselves highest up in.

It's why the quote from Lydon Johnson is still relevant "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.".

This gets at the heart of it, this 'lowest white man', unprivelleged economically, can be made to conserve the rich-poor hierarchy of the economic conservative by exploiting his prejudice towards the racial white-black social conservative hierarchy.

We've seen that strategy extended to other hierarchies as well.

When the solutions to problems can not be found in these hierarchies, conservatives will not reject the hierarchy they will reject the solutions and even reality itself.
They reject public health because it provides service to the poor and rich, white and black, men and women, religious and heathen. Public health violates the hierarchies. Similar to global warming. It simply can't be real because the solutions involve violating or otherwise rejecting the hierarchies.

[–] ijeff@lemdro.id 4 points 11 months ago

Specifically pubic health? Are the urologists and gynecologists up in arms?

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 25 points 11 months ago

If that's the case then, fellow Canadians, don't believe the tried and untrue lines from Conservatives that "we can't afford decent public healthcare" because their healthcare plans involve us paying more to private entities for the same or worse service. It's certainly an "efficient" process, because it's efficient at funneling money to their donors and screwing Canadians over.

[–] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How about provincial governments make good on their responsibilities to provide healthcare and housing? The federal government is responsible for NEITHER under our constitution.

[–] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

But Canadians keep voting in conservatives at the provincial level, across the whole country. Only two NDP provinces (BC and Manitoba), and MB is very recent. This really seems like "voting against our interests".

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

I'll settle for the federal and provincial governments NOT actively selling us out. Even passive fuckups would be an improvement.

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I understand Canadians for wanting that.

[–] bornforleaving@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

As someone who works in healthcare...don't bother giving us more. They aren't doing anything smart with the money they do have.

It's such a fucking disgusting system and I wish I had never gotten into health care. I hate everything about it.