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Israel is losing the war against Hamas – but Netanyahu and his government will never admit it (europe-solidaire.org)

submitted 10 months ago by tardigrada@beehaw.org to c/news@beehaw.org

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The official narrative has been that Hamas is weakened, but in reality the IDF’s doctrine of massive force is failing, writes Paul Rogers, emeritus professor of peace studies at UK's Bradford University.

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war. It's not a war.

They're not at war. They're doing genocide.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's critical to note, as you point out, that until you know what the goal is you can't say whether they are winning or losing.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org 6 points 10 months ago

I mean, the Tet Offensive didn't really have a goal except to make the occupiers take the opposition seriously.

[–] Joker@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 10 months ago

They’re not losing. They are kicking the absolute shit out of the Palestinians. This is not even a remotely fair fight. The problem is most of these people didn’t have anything to do with 10/7, which means Israel is destroying any respect or goodwill anyone had for them when this started.

Nobody would have batted an eye if they just wanted to get in there and kill some terrorists. It was 100% justified for Israel to respond. But you expect a tough, appropriate response and not some maniac shit. They have wrecked half of Gaza and have everyone crammed in the other half. This shit is nuts. It’s as bad as Russia with Ukraine and Russia is the absolute sleaze of the planet. Israel really went low here.

[–] DroneRights@beehaw.org 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Israel and Hamas aren't at war, they're on the same side.

[–] janabuggs@beehaw.org 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Care to elaborate?

[–] DroneRights@beehaw.org 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Every politician and military leader worth their salt knows that oppression creates terrorism. The way Israel has been treating Palestine made Hamas inevitable, and everyone making decisions in Israel had to have known it. So why intentionally create terrorists? Because theoretically, the existence of terrorists justifies violence. Hamas was created by Israel with the intention of accelerating the genocide under a sympathetic justification.

Hamas is a Frankenstein's monster. A creation, deliberately made, which grew out of its creator's control. Hamas' cause is more sympathetic than Israel bargained for, because at the end of the day all that rage and violence is motivated by a desire not to be oppressed. And just like in the original Frankenstein, all the creator needs to defeat the monster is a little bit of love. If Israel passed laws guaranteeing the equality of Palestinian citizens, Hamas would have no new recruits and no international support. Its legitimacy and power would evaporate in a day. Israel continues the "war" because it believes it can still control the monster. That it can still use Hamas to justify further violence.

[–] sonori@beehaw.org 9 points 10 months ago

Yep, there was a reason why until 2019 i believe Israel publicly funded the Hamas with the intent to weaken the formation of a Palestinian government. Israel’s far right needs someone they can try and look strong against so people stop looking inword ar what thier government is actually doing.