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I feel like by the time the tide turns on gun control people will be so frustrated that repeal of the second will be on the table.
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The article says it was actually an air rifle pellet, which is probably always going to be legal. They are quite powerful for some models.
This isn’t a gun control issue.
You are right, it is not a gun control issue, it is a gun culture problem.
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It’s wild you’re even questioning whether air powered firearms should be treated the same as a rimfire or centre fire firearm.
There are countries where people require a regular firearm license to own an airsoft gun let alone an airgun.
In my country Airsoft are completely banned.
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Isn't it?
Where I live, this would be impossible because you wouldn't be allowed to shoot guns somewhere kids can ride through. That's gun control, and it includes air guns.
What I meant is that this incident didn’t really happen because of some sort of systemic gun control problem. Everyone was being responsible with regards to gun control, it’s just that some kids made a dumb decision and some parents weren’t around to intervene. It doesn’t matter how robust your gun control laws are; there will always be some tragedies. I’m all for stricter gun control laws in the U.S., but that’s not going to result in zero gun fatalities. I sin ppl y honk it’s worthwhile to accept it when shit happens despite everyone doing reasonable things to prevent it and not blaming every gun death on gun laws.
Everyone was being responsible with regards to gun control, it’s just that some kids made a dumb decision and some parents weren’t around to intervene.
Um, "everyone was being responsible" and "parents weren't around" are exclusionary statements. It's impossible to be both with guns (even air guns).
Except you prove the point.
- Everyone was being responsible.
- If gun control was incorporated, responsible people wouldn't have guns at this moment in time. (many irresponsible people wouldn't either by the laws of supply & demand but that's beside the point here)
- Thus, the child would be alive.
I think you could argue that any gun incident isn't the result of a "systemic gun control problem," gun control just prevents things. It's a little confusing to say, but a lack of gun control isn't a root cause of gun problems, it's just a solution to them (and an objectively good one imo).
While I understand your point, and think it's fair, I'd add that a part of gun control is the proper education of gun owners such that they have the thought patterns necessary to consider these sorts of possibilities, and to take action to prevent them. It's a big part of the system here, obtaining a gun licence involves training that fundamentally alters your view of responsible gun use.
That said, I'm not going to pretend that gun control would have prevented this, but it should reduce its likelihood.
Oh weird I thought a child was murdered with a gun
Not as long as parents like this are bringing sacrifices
Thank you for your contribution, Vaginal_blood_fart.
How about you don't let the kid play anywhere near a shooting range let alone leave the possibility for them to drive right onto it with an ATV. It sounds more like reckless manslaughter rather than an accident to me
It wasn’t a shooting range. That part of Arizona is pretty rural, and it looks like they rolled onto some land where people were doing target practice. Not uncommon for a rural community.
This is exactly how I ended up getting shot at while hiking. A bunch of drunk assholes decided to do target practice without checking what was down range, or they just didn't care that they were shooting towards a trail. Either way, bullets were hitting trees near us so we took off running back the way we came.
From what the video on the report seems to imply, it looks like the kids took their ATV on private property that their parents told them not to go on.
Still though, ATVs aren’t silent. The fact that they kept shooting wasn’t smart at all.
If you don't want to go deaf really quickly you should be wearing ear protection while shooting. If they were then I doubt they could have heard the ATV. If they weren't wearing hearing protection then they were probably too deaf to hear anything anyways.
It was an air rifle. Those are only around 70db.
Ah. The bigger air rifles aren't that common in the US (because you could just get a normal rifle almost as easily) so I was assuming it was a regular rifle. Yeah, the shooter should have definitely noticed then.
Obviously we don't have all the details but to hit the kid center of mass and kill him with an air rifle it seems hard to belive that was entirely accidental. A .22 air rifle only has an effective range of about 50 yards. There's no way the shooter didn't see the kid when they pulled the trigger let alone hear the ATV. I'm wondering if the shooter deliberately shot at the kid for trespassing thinking an air rifle wouldn't do any real damage. A lot of people don't realize how much damage air rifles can do. At the same time though .177 is the normal target shooting air rifle caliber and the most common one. The only reason you would specifically buy a .22 caliber air rifle is for hunting so the shooter should have known what it was capable of.
Well if they had ear protection they might not have heard them, it's just a mess
People might have been wearing it, but it was an air rifle. Those have a solid bang, but they are nothing like a real fire arm.
It’s pretty common in AZ that off-road trails where you take vehicles double as target practice areas. On the side of a trail will be an area with backstops (basically the side of a mountain or just dirt hills) where people setup targets and shoot. The desert is a big place out there but there are also a lot of random dirt bikes and ATVs around. Supposed to be the responsibility of the people doing target shooting to watch out for people.
Gross negligence to shoot targets anywhere in front of any kind of trail.
As an off road enthusiast, it is always super sketchy how there are random folks with guns shooting as I pass by. They have their backs to the trails so are shooting away but still, you can sometimes spot them with a case of beer lining up their empties. Ain’t no one going to say anything to them so I imagine that is a reason it is so prolific.
Tell us you live in the city without saying that you live in the city. Hell, there's Wildlife Management land here in Georgia specifically laid out as trails with ranges set up netx to them.
Supposed to be but most gun owners are drunk idiots so here we are.
If only she had a gun to defend herself with!