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Hypothetical: What would happen if every user in the fediverse hosted their own server? (beehaw.org)
submitted 1 year ago by lucien@beehaw.org to c/technology@beehaw.org
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What would happen if instead of users swarming existing servers when a fediverse service was put in the spotlight, each user spun up their own micro-instance and tried to federate with existing servers?

There's always the odd person who decides to host a personal fediverse service in their homelab for themselves, but would the fediverse work if that was actually the primary mode of interaction? Or would it fail in a similar way to now where the servers which receive the most federation requests need to scale up?

Presumably the failure modes for federation are easier to scale than browser requests since it's an async process.

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[–] learning2Draw@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Possibly failure, because setup isn't just a simple or of box plop. And i can't see how pings from 5000 microservers is better than 5000 users looking to register? But that's more of a question than an informed opinion

[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that ansible book works great, its just a bash script away from regular user DiY.

I've watched people who never used a computer install blockchain nodes and miners (including the networks). If someone wants to do it, they WILL figure it out.

[–] learning2Draw@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure I'm not saying they won't I'm saying there's not that many people who 'want' to beyond the effort of clicking install

[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

my point is mainly that we are that close already. The ansible setup already boils it down to the bare minimum. its down to platform testing and building an installer.

[–] lucien@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Next step is to spin up a cloud service which does all that for you, leaving you to just input a credit card and configure DNS correctly.

[–] lucien@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe I should clarify with "each user successfully spun up..." I'm mostly curious if the 5000 microservers trying to federate is a more sustainable access pattern than 5000 users hitting the website.

Since federation is an async process, it can be optimized on both ends in a way that user browser requests cannot.

At the same time, federation would overall result in more bandwidth being used because not every user wants to view every post in the frontend.

[–] rysiek@szmer.info 1 points 1 year ago

Maybe I should clarify with “each user successfully spun up…” I’m mostly curious if the 5000 microservers trying to federate is a more sustainable access pattern than 5000 users hitting the website.

Sustainable in what sense?

It's way more sustainable in the sense of "one website is not controlling the entirety of the experience of a given type of service for 5000 users", for example. I think it's important to talk about specific kinds of sustainability, and specific threats to it.

Things to consider (apart from bandwidth-related considerations):

  • technical knowledge necessary to safely and securely run and maintain a service
  • space, time, and resources (including financial) to do so
  • ability, willingness, and energy to moderate a service (this is where Big Tech platforms are falling flat on their faces, for example, and where smaller fedi communities work pretty damn well)