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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I suppose the question then becomes how much can you change Nazi ideology before it essentially becomes something different. If an alteration to history can make the Nazi movement not racist and not so genocide focused isn't it really just a different political movement now?

It's the temporal ship of Theseus, how much can I change history before it ceases to be my history?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

But also, fascism is inherently supremacist, and requires out groups to marginalize in order to thrive. It would have always ended up the way it did, it just might have taken a different route.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 18 hours ago

That's what I mean really. Having one group of people be the enemy is what been a racist is all about. I'm not sure how you have one without the other.

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 2 points 20 hours ago

Completely agree.

Might be a contentious take, but in my mind, I see "Nazi-ism" as containing two core pieces: antisemitism and fascism. That is to say, its possible to be fascist and not antisemitic (though examples of this seem, at best, thin on the ground).

I really dont know what other major figures of the Nazi party believed. I assume its was largely fascist to the core, but its my understanding that Hitler injected his antisemitism into the party, so I'd be curious to see how history unfolds in history absence (I dont have hope it'd be better, but I doubt it'd be much worse).