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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 53 points 4 days ago (7 children)

The human form isn't designed to work in a factory, why would you make your robots have humanoid bodies??

This is 100% management being scammed.

[–] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf 4 points 3 days ago

Factories are designed around human workers.

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

But you can make a soft transition, replace this or that without redesigning everything and take on huge risks. As long as it saves money it works.

So far humans can do FAR more complex work than robots can. The goal has to be to design a robot that you can program by telling and showing it what to do with human language. If you can do that and save money, then you have a robot that can truly scale. Instead of designing thousands of new factories, you have one robot that can be put into every factory on earth. And those robots will benefit from economies of scale.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

humans can do FAR more complex work than robots can

Surely that's very situational? Some cases have robots doing work that a human couldn't possibly do whatsoever.

[–] scratchee@feddit.uk 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yes, it varies a lot. But by and large cases where robots wildly outperform humans were automated decades ago, because the obvious benefits justified the cost and complexity of either building a bespoke robot or programming one to do the job well (all those robot arms you imagine swinging doors into place at the car factory)

The cases left over (and discussed here) are either requiring a level of flexibility that older designs of robot couldn’t handle, or where humans were pretty efficient at anyway, so the complex process of prepping a robot wasn’t justified.

But a robot that can be taught without programming (by any worker or their supervisor), and slots straight into an existing human-shaped hole? That could massively reduce the upfront cost, especially if economies of scale make the robot itself cheaper. possibly to the point that the robot could be worse at the job than a human and still be cheaper in the long run.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We're still a few thousand years away from that. There's very little a humanoid robot can do in a factory that a robot arm can't do better. About the only thing I can think of is pretending to drink coffee in the break room.

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It doesn't have the best robot for the job, it only needs to be more profitable than a human for that particular job, and be a "slot in replacement" with low risk. The free market system is very inefficient that way lol.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

That's still the realm of science fiction right now and even if they try, it's not going to be cheaper than humans.

[–] snrkl@lemmus.org 6 points 4 days ago

Hyundai bought Boston Dynamic.

I feel it's less about their factories and more about using them as a proving ground, as they will have to make that investment make some kind of revenue.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Or from the other angle, when there are better forms for working in a factory. We don't make cars giant mechanical humans you sit atop of, why do the same for robots?

[–] HieroProtagonist@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

We don't make cars giant mechanical humans you sit atop of

But this would be cool indeed...

[–] PastelKeystone@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They’re not being scammed exactly. It’s more of a fantasy they’re playing out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwsowgBE_P8

[–] green_link@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

easier to fire humans an integrate humanoid robots instead of replacing the entire assembly line machinery in a factory. and probably cheaper.

[–] magnue@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Huh? Factories are literally designed around human workers unless they are already fully automated...

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It took several hundred years to make factories even reasonably safe for humans to work in, and yet still, workplace injuries are extremely common because the human form is simply bad at doing this kind of work. It's trash.

[–] magnue@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

All factories with human workers are optimised for human movement as much as possible (5s etc). It benefits the factory.

It should be pretty obvious why a humanoid robot that can do anything a human can do, could be easy to implement in these factories.

Although I would think it easier to just redesign the factory to operate without humans, than to design a humanoid robot to replace the humans.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Although I would think it easier to just redesign the factory to operate without humans, than to design a humanoid robot to replace the humans.

That's the point the other guy was making

[–] magnue@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Nope he said factories were not designed around humans which is factually incorrect.

He said humans are not designed for factories, not the other way around. That's not the same thing. Factories have been designed to take into account our physical shortcomings, but it's obviously not perfect and industrial accidents are still a thing.