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Did Musk tell them that?
According to the NTSB report:
So no, looks like they checked the logs.
I was kinda assuming the driver messed up this time. The fact that it was pressed to 100% through the crash and still after makes me think he thought it was the brake.
Absolutely. I said it the last time this was posted, that this is an extremely common wreck with every model of car. About half of the drivers in my family growing up caused an accident this way. People press the accelerator when they think they're pressing the brake. The car goes faster, so they press the "brake" harder.
And even after the crash, the driver often insists that it's a problem with the car.
It's a driver error. A foot misalignment problem. It probably does happen more with any "self driving" car or anybody who uses smart cruise control, because the driver may not be using the pedals at all before the incident.
a really good point I'd never considered when thinking about accidents like these.
Intuitively it makes sense. If my heel remains planted in front of the accelerator pedal even if I'm not pressing it, I still have a frame of reference to know where the brake pedal is. If I'm using all the fancy assisted driving stuff on a long stretch I may relax a bit and pull my foot back, but that does mean if I need to slam on the brakes my reaction time will be worse, and I run the risk of hitting the wrong pedal since I don't have that anchor point anymore.
good thing to be mindful of when using cruise control of any type, newfangled or old school.
Yeah, for sure. Even when I use cruise control, I rest my foot on the brake pedal, both so I can react more quickly and so I don't miss the pedal somehow.
I have the adaptive cruise stuff and I never considered people didn’t do this, seems dangerous to not be in an active driving position while the vehicle is actively driving.
Gotta always cover the brake for sure.
Yeah. That's always been my nightmare driving a regular car too, the "stop" and "go faster" buttons are right next to each other and in a place you can't see them. Such a weird standard, presumably a result of the requirement for physical linkages from early in car history. Would have been nice if electric vehicles had provided an opportunity to rethink that paradigm.
The reason for the gas/brake being next to eachother is due to the historical need to work the clutch pedal at the same time as the gas/brake in manual transmissions. However most modern EVs (including tesla model 3s) have single-pedal driving (press to go, release to slow), so the standard is indeed changing!
Not a word, my dude.
Whocares?
Edit: No, hang on - Sincerely, why do you care? People make typos all the time and this isn't reddit circa 2012, a person's worth is no longer evaluated entirely on their passing a proofread.
Not op but I care. I'd like to make as few grammatical mistakes as possible, so I welcome any correction or tip.
Sure, and that's a completely reasonable position for you! But the question is more "who cares enough about someone else's typos to point them out in a pretty rude and completely unsolicited way" than it is "who cares about grammar errors". You welcoming correction is genuinely great - them acting like a reddit grammar nazi isn't.
Yeah but if people like OP don't correct me, how would I receive corrections?
Again, the question is more about them than it is about you.
But to answer your question: by asking for them, or marking it in your profile or similar. For example, I now have you tagged as "grammar check me, daddy" so if I see it in the future I'll know you're down. But the fact that one person may appreciate them doing it does not mean they have an excuse to be rude (and obnoxiously anglocentric on an international forum) to everyone, just on the offchance they'll like it.
Off-by-one error
IDK how those logs are generated or kept but I don't put it passed Elon to have data rewritten in the event of or just prior to an expected crash. I've also heard reports of cars disengaging autopilot just before a crash to claim the "driver was in control" during the crash.
Warl0k3 has posted elsewhere in this thread with information about how these logs are generated and kept, they're event data recorders. They need to meet federal standards which presumably would include protections against having the data rewritten like that. Seems likely that if this was being done it would be a serious crime and probably a bigger news story than the crash itself, do you have any actual sources?
Sorry, pure conjecture on my part. I just know Elon is as close to a Bond villain as it gets, they have released misleading reports for years, their fatal accident ratings are atrocious, Elon fired regulators that oversee his business, Tesla has lied about missing crash data, and there's a fair amount of open lawsuits involving safety (some from whistleblowers).
Just saying accidental acceleration would be an easier pill to swallow if it was any other car brand.
It's not accidental acceleration, though. The driver had the accelerator pressed 100%.
You can't gather intent necessarily from the data. Someone else also suggested they mistook the accelerator for the brake. No reports seem to mention if the driver was impaired but I doubt it's normal for someone to attempt vehicular suicide stone-cold sober
He did in fact, before the investigation was concluded. Read the article.