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Oil and Gas get massive subsidies every year, but a huge part of it are the very popular heating oil subsidies that keep people alive in the winter. Could these be reduced or replaced if instead the government gave money towards families purchasing electric heaters and spending their money on that?

Edit: USA but i assume the problem is not uniquely ours

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[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

No, because they cost too much. Heat Pump installation costs 30K in my city.

How are you going to make that affordable for poor folks w/o a massive subsidy? like 25K? much cheaper to give oil subsidies that cost a thousand bucks per family.

They already offer subsidies in my state, but they are like 5K, which means they benefit rich people who can afford the 30K price tag, and wait a year or two to see the rebate on their taxes. Just like with electric cars, overwhelming helps wealthy folks.

electric heaters are also horrible inefficient compared to fossil fuels. electric heating has much higher costs than oil and is far less efficient.

You'd need some sort of massive federal program to massively expand production and installation to bring costs down so they became affordable for average people.

Also a large number of homes can't accept heat pumps at all. They are basically need to be on oil/gas heat, or be demolished/refurbed entirely for a heat pump system to work for them. Heat pump installation in my city is usually done during a gut renovation and typically you can't install them in a home that is older than 20-30 years... which is the majority of the homes.

[–] frischkaesbagett@feddit.org 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

electric heaters are also horrible inefficient compared to fossil fuels. electric heating has much higher costs than oil and is far less efficient.

Wait until you hear about the efficency(Coefficient of perfomance) of heatpumps.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I know all about heat pumps. I'm a homeowner. the tech has been around for decades but it wasn't usable in cold climates until recently when it became efficient enough to perform at below freezing temps.

But good ole lemmy doesn't like facts of reality and it's difficulties being discussed. they'd rather think real world problems can just magically be solved by good intentions, because they don't have much real life experience.

it thinks 50 year problems can be solved in 6 months if you just 'do it'. when realistically upgrading everyone to heatpumps would take 50+ years, and by then there will be better tech anyway.