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Capitalist propaganda is effective (lemmy.ml)

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[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

You can't see the other reply so:

A total of up to four thousand people could eventually die of radiation exposure from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant (NPP) accident nearly 20 years ago, an international team of more than 100 scientists has concluded.

As of mid-2005, however, fewer than 50 deaths had been directly attributed to radiation from the disaster, almost all being highly exposed rescue workers, many who died within months of the accident but others who died as late as 2004.

The new numbers are presented in a landmark digest report, "Chernobyl’s Legacy: Health, Environmental and Socio-Economic Impacts," just released by the Chernobyl Forum. The digest, based on a three-volume, 600-page report and incorporating the work of hundreds of scientists, economists and health experts, assesses the 20-year impact of the largest nuclear accident in history. The Forum is made up of 8 UN specialized agencies, including the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), World Health Organization (WHO), United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UN-OCHA), United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR), and the World Bank, as well as the governments of Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/chernobyl-true-scale-accident

The other reply that you can't see:

The tweet is being honest. The Numbers are correct.

If interested: The Rational View podcast with Dr. Al Scott: Gerry Thomas and the UNSCEAR reports

Link to episode: https://therationalview.podbean.com/e/gerry-thomas-and-the-unscear-reports/

Link to media: https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/r8t8zh/TRV-GerryThomas.mp3

[–] Arlaerion@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

Thank you! I didn't think about defederation. o.O

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You didn't see my reply elsewhere in the thread. The tweet is dishonest because it's deliberately excluding the deaths from long term health issues in the Chernobyl while including them in the Bhopal numbers.

I already figured out for myself that Chernobyl was still less deadly than Bhopal and I never claimed otherwise.

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm interpreting things wrong but the study is counting the long term health issues in the 50 total deaths, 20 years after the accident is long term no?

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I got lost in the sauce a bit. The tweet is still comparing different statics. Chernobyl had less then 100 deaths in the first year, but thousands more deaths from cancer in the following year. Those were excluded from mention.

Bhopal had 16,000 deaths in the first year and 500,000 "nonfatally poisoned" casualties. Those almost certainty lead to premature deaths and if we're including those, we also need to be including the long term cancer deaths from Chernobyl.

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

The study is saying that the projection is 4k but they can only attribute with confidence 50 death related with the disaster.

many who died within months of the accident but others who died as late as 2004.

Late as 2004 is saying that they are counting the following years