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[–] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Different people respond differently to stress and just because someone acts differently than you think you might doesn't mean that they're automatically guilty or innocent. In my opinion only evidence can prove if someone did something or not. After all, we weren't there so we can't know. Christopher Jefferies was arrested for murder but released and his vilification was described as "a form of psychological torture" and "as in some Kafkaesque nightmare" article. Jay Cheshire killed himself in 2015 after being falsely accused of rape by a girl article. I'm not interested in the pitchforks and torches mentality. I'll wait until there's evidence and I'll make my decision then.

[–] stifle867@programming.dev -5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I never said that they are automatically guilty or innocent. In fact I specifically avoided doing so. All I said was that I find it suspicious. A suspicion is not the same as a verdict. That's an intrinsic part of the justice system and also of my beliefs.

[–] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well the foundation is the presumption of innocence. You're allowed to be suspicious if you want. Webster's defines suspicion as "the act or an instance of suspecting something wrong without proof or on slight evidence : MISTRUST" The without proof part is what bothers me.

[–] stifle867@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly. That's why I labelled it specifically as a suspicion and made a clear note it's not enough to say there was any wrongdoing. It's purely based on the "slight evidence" of his statement. We'll have to wait and see where this leads to but I'm commenting on the information we have now. Based on the information we have now, in my opinion, the response was suspicious. The suspicion comes from the lack of denial.

[–] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You're getting downvoted and while Internet points are silly I personally don't think you're acting inflammatory or maliciously. I think we agree on mostly everything here. I find it frustrating when people use downvotes to mean "I disagree with you."

[–] stifle867@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

It is frustrating but not unexpected. If someone wants to engage with me on an intellectual level then all respect even if we disagree. Some people aren't capable of that and it shows. I didn't think it was an inflammatory opinion and I'm still happy for someone to disagree with me and explain why. Maybe I'll change my mind, maybe I won't. I'm up for the discussion but some people just want to pick fights on the internet. Thanks for your response.

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