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An After-School Program Teaches Teens Java and Python::The students also learn how to design board games and video games

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[–] netchami@sh.itjust.works -4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'd recommend Python or JavaScript to beginners. Also, Java is dying out right now.

[–] aluminium@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I seriously don't get why Python is so popular for learners. Its a weird ass very isolated language syntactically. The libraries for it are great but still.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because it dared to change the shitty syntax of bad syntax languages so humans can actually read it.

[–] aluminium@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Its probably bias to what you are used to the most. I think for example copy pasting stuff around in C like languages is way easier than the tab mangling one has to perform in python.

Also python has so plenty of bizarre (i.m.o. not very readable) syntax beyond that. Like

def __init__(self) : for a constructor

the most verbose lambda syntax for something that should make it less verbose to inline functions def x = lambda x: x + 1

logical operators being words while numerical and comparative ones aren't def x = not a or (b <= c)

private methods not really existing thus needing underscores as a crutch

I don't wanna hate on python, the ecosystem and libraries around it are amazing but people saying python is the gold standard in terms of syntax and "readability" is questionable i.m.o.. There also is a reason why many of new modern hyped languages (which don't have to abide to backwards compatibility to some other language like mojo) like Rust, Kotlin, Go, Zig, and Swift are C style langs.

[–] netchami@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

JavaScript sometimes can be weird as hell. That's why I prefer Python. I don't know, for me it seemed logical from the beginning. Java definitely ain't better.

[–] FourThirteen@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Java is absolutely not dying... unfortunately. Billions of people depend on spaghetti code written by corporations every day. I think Java will be the next COBOL. It won't die and it's unfortunate.