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The creator of Pixelfed announced an upcoming encrypted messenger for the fediverse that will work across the fediverse (mastodon.social)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by nix@merv.news to c/technology@lemmy.world
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It will be open source, end to end encrypted using Signal’s double ratchet encryption protocol, and he plans to make it easy for fediverse platforms to integrate it. The beta will release later this month.

He’s also the creator of https://fedidb.org btw

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[–] beta_tester@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Nice. This sounds like a federated signal messanger? Why not using matrix or xmpp? 🤨

[–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can you use matrix with a lemmy or mastodon account?

[–] beta_tester@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

No, right now you need two separate accounts but you could combine them if you wanted to

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

According to this post, Signal can federate, but chooses not to. In another post, it's said that Matrix is based off Signal.

So, one way to look at it announcement is "you will be able send Signal/Matrix messages from your fediverse instance of choice", I believe

[–] matt@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Kind of surreal seeing my own Mastodon post linked, damn.

If you're curious about the details I refer to, there's an indepth article on lwn.net regarding this from 2016 here: https://lwn.net/Articles/687294/

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

That article was very informative, thanks!

[–] spacedancer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Huh. I wonder what they mean by “bad user UX”. I was expecting concerns about encryption or privacy, not UX. I already use Signal, so it would be a positive for me if they federate.

[–] sam@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

“you will be able send Signal/Matrix messages from your fediverse instance of choice”

While no details are clear, it'll definitely not be this. Matrix has it's own implementation which isn't compatible with signal (megolm or something like that), and I really don't think dansup will be making it matrix compatible. It'll probably be its own thing.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Oh, that's a shame. It's one of the bummers of instant messaging, everything seems to be incompatible with everything

[–] beta_tester@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah ... I read it as well.

This announcement does not mean that the services (signal, matrix, etc) will be integrated. At one point there'll be a bridge for matrix. But like google, all of them need to implements MLS at one point. Maybe then they'll be able to communicate

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