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Mikel Arteta: "Lionel Messi is the most influential player ever in the history of football. We have never seen someone do what Messi has been doing on the field for all these years before." (www.planetfootball.com)

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[–] Bravo_Ante@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Disagree, Messi is GOATy, but he isn't the most influential player in the history of football. That is because there wasn't a way of playing in that role prior to Messi and post Messi. Maradona did set the same precedent for the small attackers many years before.

R9 is more influential than Messi for example. There was a prior to R9 era where strikers played in one manner. And after R9 era where strikers played differently.

Ibra for example is more influential for the tall/big striker position than Messi for his position. Before Ibra the big CF were asked to keep the ball, fight the defenders and be good at the box. After Ibra, these strikers are asked to do way more, drop deep, progress the ball, set the tempo, be more technically able and so on. Haaland is asked to hold himself to a higher standard because of standards Ibra set to that category for example.

Baresi is also more influential for the CB position, considering his height.

The use of the word "INFLUENTIAL" is used in a wrong manner.

[–] raincloud82@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's hard to define what "influential" means in this context. I kind of agree that Messi didn't do anything not seen before, he just did a lot of already existing things, better than anyone and at an incredible speed, during 10+ years.

That said, one could argue that Messi was very influential in their rivals. All their rival coaches spent Messi's career trying to figure out how to stop him and there was a lot of evolution in tactics around that, with some like Simeone and Mourinho basically building their whole tactics around the premise of stopping Messi first, then everything else.

[–] Bravo_Ante@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

About your first paragraph, i 100% agree. I think he was extremely influential towards coaches on how to defend him. Even IF, i think that we have seen similar patterns before with Maradona or R9. Something that you mentioned.

But, THE MOST ONE?! Hard pass for me genuinely.

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