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So once again we've been told this year is the biggest black friday ever in terms of sales. Well first off I'm not buying it and I'll get into that further below, but I had a question if anyone knows as most of these articles are pretty vague. Here's what I'm wondering...

  1. Where are they pulling these stats from? Is it from a merchant processor, Shopify, Visa or MC or retail organization?
  2. Are these numbers just factoring in Black Friday and Cyber Monday, the entire week around Black Friday or the entire month of November?

So here's my take on this. Last year we were told it was the biggest Black Friday ever. Well I went to a few stores and they were emptier than a regular Tuesday afternoon, obviously more people shop online these but I still don't buy its the best sales numbers ever. Last year inflation was running 9% and we were told best black friday ever by 2.3% though I believe that was later revised down, same thing that happens with GDP, job numbers, everything, they give rosy numbers make headlines and revise down later and nobody really pays attention.

That said assuming the same number of shoppers went out and bought the same number of items you'd expect sales would need to at a minimum be 9% higher than previous years adjusted for inflation to be break even, you'd need more to actually say sales were better. And this is if we buy the idea that inflation was only 9% which the fed and government told us, obviously they pick and choose what's factored so true inflation is actually much higher.

I would expect things to be worse this year, we've had more layoffs, we now have an additional year of high inflation so people are even more tapped out ie its not just the 3% inflation we have this year if you buy that number, were going on 3 or 4 years of inflation which has accumulated and driven prices higher. We also have record credit card debt, record low savings levels, etc.

I just find it hard to believe this years black friday and cyber monday sales were 7% or 9% depending on the source better than previous years. Assuming they are only looking at the weekend or even the whole week its even harder to believe as in many ways the entire month of November has turned into the month of black friday. Curious your take as well as your personal experience if you're in ecommerce. My sales were about the same as last year which is great, margins were a bit worse, but we've also substantially grown our emails and sms lists over the past year, had that not happenned I'd expect my sales would be considerably worse.

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[–] Chill_stfu@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Why do you think you know more than people who collect this data? Because your gut feeling?

I'm a business owner, and my circle and area is not seeing a slowdown. The economy is rolling.

The only people who don't see this are Fox News people or crypto clowns.