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[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Any idea what such things cost the company in terms of computation or electricity?

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's not the reason, it's because it was seemingly outputting training data (or at least data that looks like it could be training data)

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Sure, but this cannot be free.

Edit: oh, are you suggesting it is the normal cost? Nuts, chathpt is not repeating forever.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago

I think that they were referring to the exploit that was recently published. Google researchers were able to reliably get the LLM to output training data verbatim, including PII.

To me, this reads as damage control for that. Especially as they are being sued for copyright infringement, which they and their proponents have been claiming is impossible (clearly, they were either wrong or lying).

[–] regbin_@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's definitely cost. There are other ways to make it generate text that is similar to training data without needing it to endlessly repeat words so I doubt OpenAI cares in that aspect.

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It doesn't endlessly repeat, there's a cap on token generation per request. It absolutely is because of the recent "exploit"

[–] regbin_@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I don't think they would care if it didn't get popular and having thousands of people trying it out, eating up huge amount of compute resources.

It's a known quirk of LLMs.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Essentially nothing. Repeating a word infinite times (until interrupted) is one of the easiest tasks a computer can do. Even if millions of people were making requests like this it would cost OpenAI on the order of a few hundred bucks, out of an operational budget of tens of millions.

The expensive part of AI is training the models. Trained models are so cheap to run that you can do it on your cell phone if you're interested.

[–] apinanaivot@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

GPT4 definitely isn't cheap to run.