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Will Microsoft drop the TPM requirement for Win 11 once Win 12 rolls around? (lemmy.world)

submitted 11 months ago by Adequately_Insane@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

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Or maybe they will launch Win 12 with optional TPM support.

Imho making the OS(es) TPM only cannot be good for their business, many people are still on Win 10 with no intention to switch, since their motheboard does not support TPM and do not want to upgrade PC / waste PCI-E slot on TPM extension.

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[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I probably wouldn't call it cancer, seems quite loaded, but gaming on Linux still has its snags even if performance on it its better. Like you and OP said, hardware is a big issue, but also some gaming-oriented creature comforts like a proper platform for recording/screenshotting. Steam has screenshotting but not recording AFAIK, Yes, OBS exists, but let's be real - it's clunky to set up because it's not meant to be a game recorder, it's meant to be broadcasting software. On Windows, it will detect a running game automatically and let you record. Someone did send me another piece of software that's simpler, but it doesn't support Wayland. The transition from X11 to Wayland is affecting a lot of software like this, and Windows just doesn't have this issue.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I still don't really understand the reason for switching to Wayland, especially since it sounds like it's still rather half baked even after all this time

[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 2 points 11 months ago

As far as I know, the protocol is pretty much standardised and it's now up to the desktop environments to support and implement it, and that transition took a lot of time. GNOME has already been there and on its way to winding down X11 support, KDE has also been building up its Wayland support too. Waydroid (Android container software) requires it, and Valve uses it for Gamescope on SteamOS too iirc, to give games a more predictable place to render themselves on. Everyone's got a kick up the ass with regards to Wayland support recently, but for smaller, independent/non-corp backed or niche software, of course, it's gonna take a bit longer.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago

It's kinda like IPv6.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

More than it being half baked, it's that is not a drop in replacement. It works differently, on purpose. So DEs, apps and even drivers (looking at you Nvidia) need to make changes to adapt to it.

For example apps that user screen sharing had to be reworked, because X11 allowed any app to just see the screen without any user action (I think Windows also does this, Android and iOS require at least a one time permission), but Wayland doesn't allow that as it's a security/privacy risk.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

I guess I really should dig into it and understand it better... It and systemd aren't going away so I should just bite the bullet and learn them