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    [–] maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 71 points 11 months ago (48 children)

    It's disgusting that this post has not been removed, has a 96% postive vote ratio, has over 1K upvotes and is sitting at the top of All after almost a day.

    This isn't a Linux meme. It's a celebration of abuse, abusive behaviour and abusive people.

    All the people ITT condoning or making even the slightest accommodations for this behaviour ought to be ashamed and need to take a good, long look in a mirror.

    What are the moderators of this community thinking? Are you reading this stuff? Do some of you agree with any of it?

    Of all the things to celebrate about Linus and Linux this is not one of them.

    There is no value in leaving this post up. There is nothing to be learned or gained by revealing just how gross some supposed Linux supporters may be.

    Does anyone ITT seriously think this is how Linus or Linux developers want to be remembered and celebrated for their dedication and decades of toil?

    Do you think anyone that's been on the receiving end of this kind of abuse on the job or in the home wants to jump onto Lemmy today to see this celebration of abusive and awful behaviour.

    There are no excuses to be made. It doesn't matter that this happened many years ago and that Linus has managed to overcome behaving like this. The post itself is now the issue.

    The many comments that have made even the slightest excuse for this kind of behaviour are awful and damaging to the reputations of Linus, Linux and the Linux community.

    [–] SomeRandomWords@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    It's useful to note that there exists Lemmy servers where down votes are not processed. So the high up vote to down vote ratio isn't necessarily a reflection of people not down voting, it's potentially a reflection of the servers that allow down votes along with all other servers (generally they all allow up votes).

    [–] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Didn't know Lemmy has this "feature". I know mastodon does not support downvotes.

    [–] urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    I'm nitpicking here, sorry in advanced.

    You put "quotes" around "feature" as though it is a bug. My instance (the user you are responding to is also a member of Blahaj) does not support downvotes and it is one of the reasons I signed up for it. So, I do feel it is a feature and not a bug.

    Here's a long explanation about why I feel that way:

    I think people should be allowed to be wrong on the internet without having a huge negative number hovering over their head. If they're wrong, people should go to the comments and say why. People absolutely care about that dumb number, and to pretend they won't or shouldn't is just not how humans work.

    If a comment is controversial, it's upvote/downvote will be neutral and it'll get lost. Controversial comments should be read so discussion can form around it.

    If the post should be downvoted to oblivion because it's toxic or offtopic, it should be removed instead.

    I feel that downvotes are only useful if the community needs to collectively use it to moderate (I'd argue it had a purpose on Youtube, before they removed it. It could be abused, but it was useful to fight misinformation or product marketing disguised as content).

    [–] uis@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Controversial comments should be read so discussion can form around it.

    Some instances allow to sort by contraversy.

    Isn't showing only upvotes is default in Jerboa?

    [–] urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

    Some instances allow to sort by contraversy.

    We're ultimately talking about which order comments should appear on a post. I don't think controversial sort should be default, and I don't want to read the most controversial comments all the time. I think the comments that generate the best discussion and/or are the most valuable should float to the top naturally. Ignoring down votes does this, with the added benefits of removing the possible toxic effects of down votes.

    Isn’t showing only upvotes is default in Jerboa?

    Dunno, I don't use it. Don't need to, my instance doesn't allow downvotes. If I needed to move from Blahaj for some reason, I might look into it, might not.

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