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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You could have a non-capitalist society burning fossil fuels in the same way, and it would have the same consequences.

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Probably, but probably there wouldn't be a push for keeping things as they are. No wait! Let's burn even more carbon

[–] neanderthal@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Maybe, maybe not. You get what you measure. Bad incentives are a major contributor to the corruption that ultimately led to the downfall of the USSR.

Good policy and incentives make the difference. Capitalism and communism aren't all that different. In practice, they are still largely hierarchical with a few controlling things.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.ml -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

No it would not. Capitalism enables destruction because you just need to pay enough money to stop the right people. Laws now have a subtle bidding to break. Your problem in this logic is not understanding the enabling format of our socioeconomics. Your correct but this is not how the world works the economy enables them so much worse than you can ever comprehend from what you're saying and a lot of people will never understand how enabling Capitalism is.

Communism is not different from capitalism they're both the same exact thing just the % of the population practicing. I literally just call it communism for the rich because it's the exact same thing.

[–] sonori@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

The Soviet Union sure wasn’t capitalist by any reasonable definition of the word but still jumped from one major environmental catastrophe to another, to the point where there are still plenty of large areas to deadly to inhabit unprotected.

Even climate change wise it was effectively a petro state which relied heavily on useing and selling cheap oil at every opportunity.

I mean I may be a democratic socialist but even I admit that not everything can be blamed solely on capitalism. Even a fully democratic state operating in the best interest of its poorest people could well decide that it’s in their best interest to make thier lives better by focusing on material growth if it thought that that the consequences for its own people were minor enough.