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You use similar rules to how video games are allowed. Or like how art actually is handled
Because, if you go to an art museum? Odds are you are going to see a nipple and maybe even some breastfeeding (the scandal of it all!). Hell, you might even see stuff like the fisherman's wife and the like. But you probably aren't going to see gaping vag and people riding sybians.
Believe it or not, it isn't a hard problem when people act in good faith. Rather than just immediately noping out because a bunch of assholes are too immature to understand that "artistic nudity" is actually a concept.
The commenter is being a jerk, but you're misinterpreting the point they're trying to make. Twitch has a had a lot of issues with rules enforcement since the introduction of the 'Just Chatting' section when it comes to sexual content. What's considered acceptable has only ever been nebulously defined in the TOS really.
Because of this a lot of disproportionate bans have happened on women simply for existing, largely affecting smaller streamers because large ones generally just get a slap on the wrist. On the other side of the spectrum the rules have also allowed for a lot of loopholes being taken advantage of, like for example the hottub craze. The other commenter is not exaggerating when they are saying that people stream themselves pole dancing and doing strip teases.
Whether you agree or disagree on the level of sexualization that should be allowed on the platform, what's considered acceptable use definitely needs to be more rigidly defined for the benefit of everyone.
The "TOS" has consistently been misogynistic. It took how long to even pretend to make guys put shirts on? And they still regularly refuse to and nothing happens.
But a woman wearing a tube top and not making it explicitly clear that she is fully clothed out of frame? End of the fucking world and all the "I am gonna test the waters to get that kick bag" streamers needed to chime in and start a holy war.
I think the rules that just got rolled back were an AWESOME start. They needed refining, but it solved the issue of "I really don't want to see hot tub streams on the front page" while also acting like adults. And the response to people pushing the boundaries in bad faith was to roll it all back and see if they can mail out some twitch branded burkas to every female presenting streamer on the platform.
While I have more than a few issues with his response (mostly because he is "friends" and business partners with a lot of those "so... how much of that tate bag can I get and will kick pay me for it?" streamers...), Ludwig's response to this a day or two ago was pretty spot on. Youtube already has this shit and nobody cares. The key is just to keep it off the front page, which these rules did. Then just drill down and refine the rules to let people know how far they can push it while the actual artists do whatever.
I'm not saying there's no such thing as artistic nudity, I'm saying that believe it or not Twitch ISN'T a curated art museum and believe it or not people DID use it in bad faith to make pole dancing streams, strip teasing streams, streams where they generate nude AI images, etc.
That's hilarious, because calling everyone who doesn't agree with you an asshole isn't a good faith argument
Log off and come back when you can make a discussion without calling someone an asshole or incel
What discussion can be had when a single nipple is the equivalent to a tentacle ganbang and people are genuinely afraid of the human body?
At least this way I highlight how completely asinine the bad faith "How can you have any art when people are going to draw veiny dicks on tentacles? DELETE IT ALL!" is as an "argument".
No one in this thread is arguing for that, it's literally just you screaming it and calling everyone an incel.
I get that reading comprehension being at an all time low is a major issue facing humanity and all but please try to put some effort in if you are going to interact on a predominantly text based message board.
I really hope you're just having a bad day and that you don't actually engage in conversation like that usually.