I think it's pretty safe to say that the majority of us are here to avoid another corporate takeover of our preferred platforms. It would seem to me to be a tad irresponsible to allow Facebook into our space with open arms, allowing them to hoover up our data. I would love to keep using Lemmy.world, but will happily change instances if need be, and I feel many share that sentiment.

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[–] ieightpi@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

People who keep touting the point that defederating from Meta means we are cutting people off from fediverse are picturing this situation wrong. Based on what I've read, people see this little island of people compared to the mainland where there will be physical barrier because shouldnt tear down the bridge.

But the net isnt like that. People have just as much freedom creating a Threads account as they do a Lemmy or Mastodon account.

And don't say that the fediverse is too difficult to understand for the average person. That kind of rhetoric is what will push people away.

Everyone needs to be patient with growth. It's not going to happen in a year just like it took years for reddit to grow. I do believe that more and more people will be interested in the fediverse once they realize that corporate oversight is non existent here. And that can only happen if we keep the major instances disconnected from Meta or any for profit company.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

But the net isnt like that. People have just as much freedom creating a Threads account as they do a Lemmy or Mastodon account.

It's not about creating an account or not, it's about the conversations, who views them, how inclusive are they to all.

The people who would be making comments are not the same people that are running Meta.

And don’t say that the fediverse is too difficult to understand for the average person. That kind of rhetoric is what will push people away.

It is a barrier entry though for many (for whatever reasons). I don't think you can just hand wave it away like that; that's not constructive.

Everyone needs to be patient with growth. It’s not going to happen in a year just like it took years for reddit to grow.

The situation is different now, than back then with the starting of Reddit. This time you have a 800 pound gorilla dancing in your living room.

I do believe that more and more people will be interested in the fediverse once they realize that corporate oversight is non existent here.

Unfortunately the Fediverse account creation difficulty barrier of entry may be higher than avoiding corporate oversight. People take the path of least resistance usually. (And yes, it bums me out big time saying that, as we should all try to avoid corporate oversight.)

And that can only happen if we keep the major instances disconnected from Meta or any for profit company.

That's not the only way though. Good moderation will also prevent that from happening.

So, I don't have a dog in this hunt. Personally I would lean more towards not defederating, to be inclusive, as I'm just an 70s/80s liberal who believes free speech for all, and that it would do more harm than good by excluding a whole bunch of people from conversing with a whole other bunch of people.

Having said that, I do see good points being made on both sides, it's not a clean decision to make, it's not binary, it's analog.

But it does seem to me like a lot of the comments being made on the subject are knee-jerk advocacy based, gatekeepingy.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago

Thing is, for someone to interact with a Lemmy Instance from threads or mastodon, they'd have to tag a community first in a post. So it would need to be very intentional, which if someone on threads is intentionally interacting with Lemmy, what's the problem?