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KDE's Nate Graham On X11 Being A Bad Platform & The Wayland Future (www.phoronix.com)
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Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of "Wayland breaking everything" isn't really accurate.

"In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!"

Nate's Original Blog Post

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[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

AFAIK, Fedora is the only distro that's getting rid of X11 support, the other distros are still packaging it AFAIK.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nobody's getting rid of X support. Not for several years.

[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Go tell Fedora that then lol. They want it gone to the point where Nate is telling users who want X to stay away on that post. Xwayland I believe will still be around though.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They'll recant after their usage drops to a fraction. This move makes zero sense no matter how you look at it. As a generalist distro it's too early to drop X.

If they want to become a niche distro whose only claim to fame is "we only pack Plasma 6", big whoop, like there's any shortage of that. What kind of distro defines itself by what it does not offer? And is that the kind of distro that Fedora aims to be?

[–] AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Hell, GNOME has been wayland-default since twenty-fucking-sixteen if I remember my dates right. You're overestimating the value X.Org provides.

[–] ImmaculateTaste@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah its about time gnome drop support to encourage developers to switch to wayland.

[–] Jordan_U@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

This is the kind of distro Fedora has always been, both for better and for worse.

I don't see this decision driving users away from Fedora any more than other decisions they've made in the past and will surely make in the future.

[–] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

There were news about Ubuntu doing it too some time ago, maybe they realized it’s not feasible yet. I don’t follow their development as I don’t use those distros