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[–] blotz@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My thoughts on this? I think people should care less about what software other people use.

Man, display servers look hard to develop and I'm glad we have two amazing/successful projects to choose between! I think the devs who work on X are doing an amazing job and it's amazing to see how passionate the devs/users are for Wayland.

If bobby tables likes to use x because they know how it works and are comfortable with it, let them work with x! If you think it's okay to judge/pester/shame people because some software they choose to use, shame on you! In the end, does it really matter what you use.

[–] flubba86@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The Devs who work on X are doing an amazing job

There aren't any Devs working on X. That's the whole problem. Xorg is the most modern and most popular implementation of X, was started in 2004, it no longer has any permanent maintainers, and it hasn't been updated since 2018. Nobody alive fully understands the whole codebase, it is an unholy mess of multiple forks and multiple versions of many different projects all smushed together. There is no more room for innovation on Xorg because any time anybody fixes a bug or adds a feature, it breaks something totally unrelated. All of the big players who used to pay developers to maintain it, no longer do. Partly because they can't find anyone willing to do it.

I'm not saying Wayland is the answer to the problem. Building a new display server protocol does not fix the problems with Xorg, and it has its own slew of problems. It really is a "rock and a hard place" situation. You're a future-hating troglodyte who shuns innovation if you continue to use Xorg, and you're a risk-taking early-adopter who forfeits functionality for shiny new toys, if you use Wayland.

[–] blotz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

aren't any devs working on X.

Didn't know about that! Good for them. I would still argue it's a very popular and successful software despite it's unholy codebase.

It really is a "rock and a hard place" ...

Yeah. I hope it's just a vocal minority but it's depressing when you see people act like this in the wild.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Most recent Stable release was December 13, fixing a CVE. Someone is working on it (Red Hat still pays a few to do so, at the very least).

[–] boomzilla@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't know anything avout xorg development although I'm profitting for years off it now. Just wanted to chime in and say that the Arch maintainers put out updates pretty constantly. If the code isn't worked on anymore then what's happening there?

Edit: There is definitely happening stuff with the xorg-server code.

Edit: Removed chit-chat