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I don’t really have much of an opinion about Wayland but it’s still funny to me whenever somebody using Wayland shits on X11 and then tries to share their screen on Zoom or something. If Wayland ends up being great I’ll be happy, but for now X11 just kind of works, so I don’t understand why people are so eager to switch? This isn’t to say I don’t understand the desire to build something better and more secure than X11, I’m just not sure what the end user gets out of Wayland right now. I don’t have VRR monitors and stuff, though, so maybe I’m not running into problems I would be if I wanted fancier features. Plus, I use xmonad and some other stuff right now that won’t work on Wayland, so I don’t have much incentive to try it. Hopefully everything gets Wayland updates eventually.
Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it's a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.
You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it's doable.
No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, I know, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
I mean, you could - for example - implement the interface these apps expect to exist and use with your amazing new compositor™.
This is precisely why companies just say "fuck Linux users" - instead of supporting a single operating system where everything kinda "just works" across versions for decades you have to checks notes support 20 different compositors across 2 vastly different display servers and dozens of various desktop environments and such.... All for an OS that's used by maybe 3% of your users if you're lucky.
That interface is let any random app take screenshots of anything running on the same server without any way for the user to know it happens.
I am so glad that interface is gone, especially when running proprietary apps.
The interface exists. It's up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.
It's up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.
Wayland's display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it's also disallowed from accessing anything except what you've given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.
It's also possible to create the lawless model of X under Wayland through a protocol if you desire to make one, but it makes little sense to throw away this better model just for the sake of some shitty proprietary apps who don't care for Linux anyways
Isn't screen sharing working since some time? Works even on WebEx from Firefox, can pick any window to share. Granted a few years back it didn't work, but now it does. Maybe it's a zoom bug... 🤔
Probably, but my exposure to Wayland has just been people complaining about how much X11 sucks and then proceeding to have more problems than everybody else.
No,I just had to deal with this myself. Most you can do is share your entire desktop in Wayland, and it's shaky. For the first time, I had to switch to Xorg and bingo, zoom works. Fonts are actually antialiased and kerned properly for certain applications that weren't... Really surprising.
To the first thing with sharing screen. Thats like saying its Linux's fault that Photoshop, Valorant, etc dont run on linux
With those however, they never ran on Linux. This situation is different because it did run. I've only used Zoom once, so no clue if it worked excellently or if it was "meh", but it sounds like it did the job before.
Regardless, it doesn't matter if Zoom hasn't updated their Electron to account for the Wayland changes - all people will see is that it doesn't (or did, but no longer) works on Linux and will blame Linux instead.
Which, that is fine if we want Linux to always be a hobbyist operating system. However if we want Linux to be more accessible to people then unfortunately the ball is in our court to try to not break something as simple (or rather, what most regular users would define as simple) as this.