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I don’t really have much of an opinion about Wayland but it’s still funny to me whenever somebody using Wayland shits on X11 and then tries to share their screen on Zoom or something. If Wayland ends up being great I’ll be happy, but for now X11 just kind of works, so I don’t understand why people are so eager to switch? This isn’t to say I don’t understand the desire to build something better and more secure than X11, I’m just not sure what the end user gets out of Wayland right now. I don’t have VRR monitors and stuff, though, so maybe I’m not running into problems I would be if I wanted fancier features. Plus, I use xmonad and some other stuff right now that won’t work on Wayland, so I don’t have much incentive to try it. Hopefully everything gets Wayland updates eventually.
Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it's a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.
You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it's doable.
No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, I know, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
I mean, you could - for example - implement the interface these apps expect to exist and use with your amazing new compositor™.
This is precisely why companies just say "fuck Linux users" - instead of supporting a single operating system where everything kinda "just works" across versions for decades you have to checks notes support 20 different compositors across 2 vastly different display servers and dozens of various desktop environments and such.... All for an OS that's used by maybe 3% of your users if you're lucky.
That interface is let any random app take screenshots of anything running on the same server without any way for the user to know it happens.
I am so glad that interface is gone, especially when running proprietary apps.