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[–] ElJefe@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)

While it is true that corporations are terrible and will do anything in the name of profit, what you guys are saying is “they got fucked and it’s their fault.” It’s not like corporations are some animal who can’t help but be who they are. They are formed by people who choose to fuck other people over for their own benefit. Fuck off with your victim blaming.

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

they got fucked and it's their fault

That's not at all what I'm saying. What I'm saying is people can choose to participate in a community that is controlled by a for-profit company if they want to, but they should temper their expectations accordingly.

[–] sudoreboot@slrpnk.net 4 points 10 months ago

It’s not like corporations are some animal who can’t help but be who they are.

That's exactly what they are. They are composed of people only to the extent that a car is composed of wheels.

If it's otherwise in working order, a flat tire will be replaced and the car will be going wherever it's meant to go. Profit city is where all roads lead to, and a flat tire (or four) can only delay for so long.

If you want to hold corporations to moral standards, you have to change the incentives (destinations) and restructure corporations to be actually owned and controlled by people who are then held to those moral standards (put more of the car into the wheels).

[–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Corporations don't exist in a vacuum. They need to fuck people over or they'll get outcompeted.

[–] ElJefe@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Thieves don’t exist in a vacuum either. So what you’re saying is a thief should rob more, or else other thieves will take what he could have stolen instead, and then he’ll be out of the thieving business? What kind of fucked up bullshit logic is that?

I know corporations are part of reality, but that doesn’t mean they should be excused for profiting on volunteer work. But my point is that the volunteers are being blamed as if they fucked around and now they’re in the stages of finding out, as if they’ve done something so stupid no one would have ever done. Unfortunately, part of reality too is that unless one of these volunteers has sufficient power and money to fight them, corporations like Duo will go on with impunity and they’ll keep fucking people over and others will keep not only justifying them, but also supporting them by buying their products, because it’s just easier to be spineless.