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Does Beehaw benefit from federation? (beehaw.org)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by bijuice@beehaw.org to c/chat@beehaw.org

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I saw this discussion brought up on a different thread and I though I'd get some more opinions on the matter.

The Beehaw community guidelines describe a place that's meant to be safe, friendly and encourages people to discuss their ideas in good faith. For the most part I feel like this community lives up to that; users of this instance are generally thoughtful with their responses. However, I don't feel like that level of quality extends to the users who post from other instances. Responses from those users are more likely to pendantic, overly argumentative, and unhelpful.

Now I may just be an elitist fuck so I'd like to hear your opinions on this. Does Beehaw benefit from federation? Do the community guidelines even matter if they don't apply to many of the people who engage with this instance? Am I just looking for a reason to complain?

EDIT: This post isn't a request for Beehaw to defederate btw. I just wanted to discuss the negatives of federation and what we can do to alleviate them :)

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[–] MediaActivist@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I was merrily using Lemmy, and later on Kbin in addition to that, for many months.

But then in recent weeks the culture seemed to change: More aggressive, insulting, and rude posts, even over nothing; some of them first responses to posts, others over nothing particularly political, just pop culture opinions and the like. And way, way more downvotes. And that last one was particularly new to me personally.

I've always been a laughably polite person, even irl, according to folks who know me, and had been the same online unless someone was outrageously offensive and mean (though in recent years simply handled that by a process of mute > report > block, rather than waste energy). But in recent weeks I'd noticed way more downvotes coming my way on innocuous posts, which was a first for me. I'd even told folks who were unsure about joining Lemmy, "Ah, don't worry about the Marxist-Leninist reputation and the bad rap; I've never experienced any tankie stuff on there, and only ever had positive experiences - I mean, look, I've barely ever been downvoted, only ever received kind upvotes for what I've tried to ensure are thoughtful, positive contributions!"

Lately it's turned nasty, and negative. I joined Kbin and most discourse on there was either polluted by the same culture rising on Lemmy, or dominated by people mocking Beehaw for wanting no part of what many agree is a recent influx of bad habits from Reddit folks. This theory is particularly popular on Mastodon, where people pointed out the switch from Twitter to Mastodon was more politically motivated, whereas the Reddit exodus was more about convenience. I thought that was an interesting explanation for these more negative experiences of late.

I'm sorry if this is a long post that doesn't at first seem to address the actual question, haha! I guess I'm just trying to contribute my own personal perspective that is related to the topic - and demonstrates why I've recently arrived at Beehaw, as an online space that appeals to me, in contrast to those other aforementioned places.

[–] alex@jlai.lu 8 points 1 year ago

that's also what I like in beehaw and the thought I have about the last few weeks. I hope things settle down soon.

[–] Crazazy@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago

I had almost forgotten about the bad reddit habits when I first made the transition to Lemmy due to being on mostly less popular subs, so I was kinda expecting a tildeverse.org experience when getting here.

Sadly I got reminded of the fact this is a reddit exodus when people kept talking about spez here, and how reddit so shit now, and how Lemmy is superior and just the general sense of everyone patting each other on the back and you know, Lemmy circlejerk.

I didn't join Lemmy just for it to become reddit again :c

[–] sub_@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've been seeing some of the more mocking, belittling, shouty replies here. And sadly they got upvoted too, which also made me second guess, are these kind of behaviors acceptable?

I came to beehaw after the reddit API thingy, but I have barely replying with the users there for years because of how toxic the community could be. So, in essence I came here, because I'm searching for a safe space where people could be more warm and welcoming, and not just some race towards weird superiority complex.

Sadly, similar thing is happening to mastodon too, people are more and more behaving as if it's twitter again, lots of shouting. I stopped posting there.

I thought mastodon and beehaw would be a turning point, where internet does not go back to 4chan, usenet, reddit era, but into something of an actual community where people help each other, but I guess that's wrong.

So yeah, if the hostility / toxicity replies keeps on going, I think I'd also leave beehaw altogether.

Edit: Everytime when I post something like this on social media, I'm prepared for the replies to chase me out.