Transitive defederation -- defederating from instances that federate with Threads as well as defederating from Threads -- isn't likely to be an all-or-nothing thing in the free fediverses. Tradeoffs are different for different people and instances. This is one of the strengths of the fediverse, so however much transitive defederation there winds up being, I see it as overall as a positive thing -- although also messy and complicated.

The recommendation here is for instances to consider #TransitiveDefederation: discuss, and decide what to do. I've also got some thoughts on how to have the discussion -- and the strategic aspects.

(Part 7 of Strategies for the free fediverses )

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[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Meta disgusts me but i cant lie and say the opportunity that my family may without me pushing much may join the fediverse on threads sounds much nicer then the status quo.

I am all for protecting the fediverse from metas ideas so i do support defediration.

With this transistive tool what happens if i am on my own instance, defederated from meta but i dont the transition and federate with a community that is federated with meta.

Could i see threads from my instance trough the federated one?

Is my own instance safe from meta?

Will transistive defederation mean others will automatically defederate with my instance because i federate with an instance that is federated with threads?

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Man just gotta respond to one thing here. I’m not for protecting anyone from any ideas. Better to have an immune system than a sterile environment that requires isolation to maintain.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

With “ideas” i am actually referencing any less then respect plans collecting data and monopolizing the fediverse meta may have.

I wouldn’t be supposed if meta wasn’t paying some in house developers to help work on the open source federation improvements only to in same breath ease in compatibility with their own systems.

If we’re not careful we might get properly invaded, meta will set the rules for the fediverse to follow. Independent communities that cant follow the same new protocols gets pushed out and will go extinct.

At least thats what i understood is the reason threads gets defederated, better to break up now that its small then to get consumed as it grows.

But i still hoped there could Be some safe doors and gateways in the middle.

[–] sour@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

does ideas include fascism

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, there's fascist ideas somewhere on Lemmy. And on Mastodon. Ideas can be fascist. Unless you want to get into a very complex philosophical debate I think that's pretty established.

[–] sour@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

are you for protecting people from fascism

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not from the idea of it, no.

[–] sour@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

._.

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You do realise protecting people from the idea of fascism means people not knowing about the holocaust or how Mussolini gained power right?

[–] sour@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

history and fascism sold as good idea is different thing

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Thats shifting the goalposts, I don't see anyone advocating for fascism here, just for saying people shouldnt be shielded from the idea of it

[–] sour@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

that fascism exists isnt idea to protect people from

that fascism is good is